On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:47 AM, Risker
<risker.wp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Andreas - you seem to have the belief that the
pervasive exposure to
pornography is having an adverse effect on community dynamics, and in
particular is having a negative impact on the recruitment of women
editors. Perhaps you might want to consider whether your pervasive
discussions of pornography aren't having a similar effect.
This is a great way to kill a thread, when twice in the last few hours,
members of this forum have striven to redirect threads from the topic of
pornography.
Risker/Anne
Anne,
It is not about pervasive exposure to pornography at all. We have
established – and all of us are in agreement on this point – that women
generally are very rarely exposed to it in Wikipedia, unless they seek it
out.
The problem is that the male culture that likes its pornography out there,
and rails against any limitation of it, even a token one like an opt-in
filter, concomitantly ALSO happens to be sexist and unwelcoming to women,
which is again something at least the women here are largely agreed on.
Let's just leave it at that. Wikimedia has far and away the most pro-porn,
anti-censorship/anti-filtering policy of any top-10 website. It also has
the lowest female participation of all these 10 websites.
I believe that it is appalling, and I believe that these two facts are
closely related: you are welcome to disagree.
I'm not disagreeing with you, Andreas. I'm saying that I'd really
prefer
not to find that just about every thread on the gendergap list wasn't
discussing pornography in some way. If you think the culture that
pornography creates on the project is harmful and is directly related to
the low participation of women on the project, then why do you feel it's a
good thing to perpetuate it on this list by constantly discussing it? I
suggest to you that distilling the gendergap issue down to "pro-porn
culture" when participants in the WikiWomen camp don't even rate this
issue in its top 10, and the majority of women participating in discussion
over the last few days are saying that it might be an issue but it's not
the big issue, is pretty much a classic example of shouting over the voices
of women who disagree with your focus. Please think about that for a bit.
Risker/Anne