Carol: My guess is that pretty much everyone commenting here has and
continues to, read the GGTF case. I also agree that Eric can be harsh and
his use of certain words offends people. Likewise others in this case also
didn't act very well.
Personally I think the term he used or the references you used are only
offensive if people let them be and a lot of folks seem to be acting like
children about using "naughty" words and language. Personally, I agree with
your metaphor and it suits the situation quite well because I think parties
on both sides of this debate are getting screwed and I don't think the
Arbcom result is going to do anything but make sure no one wants to touch
any gender/gender gap related articles.
Its also noteworthy that disruption of talk pages is a common tactic used
on WP by both sides of arguments, that's not an Eric specific thing but I
do agree that needs to be addressed as an institutional problem on the
project in general including the Arbcom. Turning pages into a battle
grounds to justify blocks are something I have become familiar with lately.
Sarah: My guess is that calling one Mr. and one Carol is because they do
not know if its Miss, Ms. or Mrs and Mr. is what it is. I doubt its
deliberately being disrespectful to her.
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I must admit, I'm really fascinated by the fact
that Eric Corbett is being
called "Mr. Corbett" and Carol Moore is being called "Carol Moore' in
some
of these conversations.
And anyone who has spent time on this mailing list and reads interviews,
articles, surveys, blahblah with women who edit Wikipedia (not just us
"uppity types"), knows damn well that CIVILITY is one of the reasons we
have a gender gap.
So this is in fact, about the gender gap.
-Sarah
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Carol Moore dc <carolmooredc(a)verizon.net>
wrote:
On 11/27/2014 11:22 AM, Tim Davenport wrote:
Note well: in the matter of Mr. Corbett we are dealing with the issue of
CIVILITY not the matter of THE WIKIPEDIA GENDER GAP.
If you read the evidence and the GGTF page you'd see Eric Corbett was
being disruptive (while not always uncivil) because he did not want the
group to have any effective voice against incivility. Many women consider
personal attacks AND harassment to be a major issues driving women off the
site, once they sign up and start to edit.
Thus Corbett's actions are highly relevant, as are those of a whole list
of his friends and supporters and fellow travelers, on GGTF, at other
gender gap related discussions, and at the Arbitration.
Of course, we all can disagree on whether "gang bang" and "gang
bangers"
are good *metaphors* to describe their behavior at Arbitration. I still
think it is, though if I wasn't totally fed up with Wikipedia, I probably
would not use it. :-) For now, it's the best metaphor I've got to
describe what I now see as Wikipedia's institutionalized harassment.
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