Carol: My guess is that pretty much everyone commenting here has and continues to, read the GGTF case. I also agree that Eric can be harsh and his use of certain words offends people. Likewise others in this case also didn't act very well.
Personally I think the term he used or the references you used are only offensive if people let them be and a lot of folks seem to be acting like children about using "naughty" words and language. Personally, I agree with your metaphor and it suits the situation quite well because I think parties on both sides of this debate are getting screwed and I don't think the Arbcom result is going to do anything but make sure no one wants to touch any gender/gender gap related articles.
Its also noteworthy that disruption of talk pages is a common tactic used on WP by both sides of arguments, that's not an Eric specific thing but I do agree that needs to be addressed as an institutional problem on the project in general including the Arbcom. Turning pages into a battle grounds to justify blocks are something I have become familiar with lately.
Sarah: My guess is that calling one Mr. and one Carol is because they do not know if its Miss, Ms. or Mrs and Mr. is what it is. I doubt its deliberately being disrespectful to her.
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
I must admit, I'm really fascinated by the fact that Eric Corbett is being called "Mr. Corbett" and Carol Moore is being called "Carol Moore' in some of these conversations.
And anyone who has spent time on this mailing list and reads interviews, articles, surveys, blahblah with women who edit Wikipedia (not just us "uppity types"), knows damn well that CIVILITY is one of the reasons we have a gender gap.
So this is in fact, about the gender gap.
-Sarah
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Carol Moore dc carolmooredc@verizon.net wrote:
On 11/27/2014 11:22 AM, Tim Davenport wrote:
Note well: in the matter of Mr. Corbett we are dealing with the issue of CIVILITY not the matter of THE WIKIPEDIA GENDER GAP.
If you read the evidence and the GGTF page you'd see Eric Corbett was being disruptive (while not always uncivil) because he did not want the group to have any effective voice against incivility. Many women consider personal attacks AND harassment to be a major issues driving women off the site, once they sign up and start to edit.
Thus Corbett's actions are highly relevant, as are those of a whole list of his friends and supporters and fellow travelers, on GGTF, at other gender gap related discussions, and at the Arbitration.
Of course, we all can disagree on whether "gang bang" and "gang bangers" are good *metaphors* to describe their behavior at Arbitration. I still think it is, though if I wasn't totally fed up with Wikipedia, I probably would not use it. :-) For now, it's the best metaphor I've got to describe what I now see as Wikipedia's institutionalized harassment.
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