Gendergap October 2015

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guardian: abuse is still the name of the game
by J Hayes 14 Oct '15

14 Oct '15

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/oct/11/female-technology-journalists-…

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Nice presentation by FloNight on the Cochrane initiative
by Jane Darnell 13 Oct '15

13 Oct '15

Hi all, Sydney did a great job presenting her work for the Cochrane initiative and I loved hearing about the link updates for existing medical articles on English Wikipedia. It would be great if we could get this working for other languages as well. She talks about the Women in Red project and some work coming up on this and women scientists in general. Her presentation at WIkiCon USA in D.C. yesterday is here (fast forward to about 5 hours in) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj6U22uJzGM Jane

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what keeps women out of tech ...
by rupert THURNER 12 Oct '15

12 Oct '15

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/opinion/sunday/what-really-keeps-women-ou… "As a woman who earned a bachelor of science degree in physics in the 1970s but left the field because I felt I didn’t belong, I have long been interested, and focus here, on women in science and math. I was fascinated, but not surprised, to learn that many young women today avoid studying computer science because they, too, fear they won’t fit in." rupert

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Linux's culture problem
by Jason Radford 11 Oct '15

11 Oct '15

<http://sarah.thesharps.us/2015/10/05/closing-a-door/> I think folks here will understand this story. <http://sarah.thesharps.us/2015/10/05/closing-a-door/> http://sarah.thesharps.us/2015/10/05/closing-a-door/

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Upcoming omen in architecture edit-a-thon
by Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight 08 Oct '15

08 Oct '15

Hello everyone, Women in Red's third online edit-a-thon is scheduled from October 15-25. The focus will be improving and creating new content for women in architecture. On Thursday, October 15, the Solomon R. Guggenheim Foundation, in collaboration with the Beverly Willis Architecture Foundation, Harvard’s Women in Design, and WikiD: Women Wikipedia Design, is hosting a daylong editathon at the Guggenheim that will include programming, editing, and an architectural tour of the museum. If you can’t join in person, sign up to work remotely: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Women_in_Architecture New York event: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Women_in_Architecture Online edit-a-thon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Women_in_Red/3 Hope you'll join in! Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight User:Rosiestep @rosiestep Linkedin:rosiestephenson

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address the source of anger
by rupert THURNER 07 Oct '15

07 Oct '15

carol rightly pointed out to not mix mail threads, so let me create a dedicated thread. do you think there is a possibility to address the source of anger, and dealing with anger in a better way we do now? see for some initial reasoning below. my hypothesis is that 95% of wikiverse harassment falls in the "anger" category. many examples i saw up to now were caused by some sort of ignorance, on purpose or without knowing. best, rupert ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner(a)gmail.com> Date: Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats! To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects." <gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org> anne, thank you so much, for the first time i think i understand the problem. "rot in hell" is a very good example of anger. anger is something common on wikipedia, anger management is something surprisingly ignored. i never read about it in a mailing list, and i do not know a single person in the movement being expert in it. there are texts like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_angry_mastodons, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Staying_cool_when_the_editing_gets_… which do not really address anger. i tried to search for links with the keywords "draw your anger", see below. one of the links which came up is a book called "Helping Your Kids Deal with Anger, Fear, and Sadness". let me cite a couple of sentences: "anger is an emotion, aggression is an action. many confuse anger with aggression ... when we do not understand our anger and allow it to get out of control, it can lead to aggressive behaviors that are sinful, dangerous, and even deadly. the emotion of anger itself is not the problem ... the real problem is the mismanagement and misunderstanding of the emotion." "Anger: a secondary emotion: ... emotions that most frequently precede anger fear, hurt, frustration." " give them both a way of venting their anger .. when you've got your anger out, we'll talk about it" * https://books.google.ch/books?id=crqTOLr1CQwC&pg=PA73&lpg=PA73&dq=draw+your… * http://www.apa.org/topics/anger/control.aspx * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsVq5R_F6RA rupert On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Rupert, I suppose I'm jaded by some of the things that people have characterized as a death threat over the years. Nasty as it may be to say "rot in hell", that's not a death threat. It was an interesting challenge to explain to someone once that "die you gravy-sucking pig" was actually a Steve Martin comedy routine, and not a real death threat. Jerky things to say, yes. I've blocked accounts with email disabled on several occasions when they've sent abuse via the "email this user" interface. > > Having been one of the people who did call police in the past before the WMF instituted "emergency@", I can tell you that the police will RARELY take anyone seriously if they say "there's someone who wrote on Wikipedia that he's gonna jump off a bridge". They want to hear it from someone who has an easy to verify email address, is using their real name, and can provide them with enough information to get a warrant if it's needed (e.g., IP addresses, links to the threat itself - which will normally have been suppressed, etc). And it is rare for police to take email threats seriously - Gamergate should be enough of an example there. > > Risker/Anne > > On 26 September 2015 at 16:07, rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> risker you are joking? a death threat is a case for the police not for the wikimedia foundation. wikimedia foundation is not a para-military or para-police organization replacing standard legal systems, the wikimedia community is also not a community outside other legal systems, with special rules applying. the police has the means to deal with it professionally. >> >> carol, if you get a death threat, why are you afraid of the police? you pay taxes and at the end of the day you are paying their salary, and are usually very welcoming? >> >> rupert >> >> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> The WMF may or may not help editors who are receiving death threats via their email systems - I'd venture to guess that in the majority of cases they're handled by admins or CUs or arbitrators by the expedient of blocking the accounts with email turned off. If you're saying you really don't want police involved, then I don't know what you'd expect the WMF to do over and above blocking the same accounts and the same IPs that can (and often are) blocked by volunteers. >>> >>> I do not suggest that harassment via email (up to and including serious death threats) is a minor matter, but that the "emergency(a)wikimedia.org" is for threats of harm to self or others that are published onwiki where there is concern that police or other authorities should be informed because there is an imminent risk of harm. Keep in mind that that email address is staffed by a grand total of six people (the Community Advocacy team) to cover the entire world. >>> >>> Risker/Anne >>> >>> >>> On 26 September 2015 at 13:59, Carol Moore dc <carolmooredc(a)verizon.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> I was referring to threats to kill someone that clearly come from a known Wikipedia handle or editor, or, as in my case, a person who is known because it's the same kind of message they have been known to send to various others many times before. >>>> >>>> In my case threats were sent through Wikimedia Foundation email and evidently that's what this person - and perhaps others - enjoys doing. At the very least advice to contact the Foundation also should cover such abuses. (Obviously if it's an anonymous person through another email system, it's a different issue. Though I believe the Foundation was happy to help Sitush when he was getting those kind of messages.) >>>> >>>> As an activist I'm reluctant to deal with authorities unless it is VERY real and imminent. Those who want to report it would assume their only recourse is to go straight to the police who then will be the ones going to the Foundation to sort it out. >>>> >>>> That is the specific issue I was addressing and the person who does that evidently is back to doing it, so perhaps others are doing it too and women are just quitting Wikipedia without telling anyone why. >>>> >>>> >>>> I wrote: >>>> >>>> On 9/26/2015 12:27 PM, Risker wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Neotarf is correct, it is the guideline to address suicide threats and >>>>> similar threats of serious harm to self or others (e.g., "I'm going to >>>>> go shoot up my school") - in other words, that guideline is intended to >>>>> capture situations where there is a reason to contact police or similar >>>>> authorities because of an imminent threat to safety. The person adding >>>>> the link probably did not really read through the point of the page. >>>>> Speaking personally, I'd be pretty offended if I complained that someone >>>>> was harassing me and was linked to a page about reporting suicide >>>>> threats. Note that one of the shortcuts is [[WP:SUICIDE]]. >>>>> >>>>> I have removed that as a "Main article" because it's not really about >>>>> harassment. >>>>> >>>>> Risker/Anne >>>>> >>>>> On 26 September 2015 at 11:52, Neotarf <neotarf(a)gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:neotarf@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> @Carol Moore, I believe that link is about suicide threats. Did you >>>>> mean to link to something else? >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Carol Moore dc >>>>> <carolmooredc(a)verizon.net <mailto:carolmooredc@verizon.net>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Because of an offline discussion about the 1000 odd death >>>>> threats I got directly through the Wikimedia Foundation email >>>>> system and my failure to remember personally contacting them (as >>>>> opposed to admins) about it, I decided to see if the Harassment >>>>> article mentioned that option. >>>>> >>>>> I did a little research and found it was not til July 22, 2015 >>>>> that the harassment article section on "threats" provided a link >>>>> to the WP:Essay that specifically advises this! >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Harassment&diff=672630… >>>>> >>>>> Now why can't the threats section include that info? Certain >>>>> some well-connected editors have learned how to work that angle >>>>> with the foundation for even minor issues... >>>>> >>>>> There's a huge section on what to do about threats of legal >>>>> action, but zilch on death threats. Pretty absurd... Safe >>>>> space, NOT!!* >>>>> >>>>> Thanks... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> CM >>>>> >>>>> *Of course, there's a difference between legitimate safe space >>>>> from actual direct insults or threats of harm and the absurd >>>>> degree of hypersensitivity now a days where there are trigger >>>>> warnings on any opinion that someone might disagree with and >>>>> protests against opinions that just aren't politically correct >>>>> enough... but don't get me started... >>>>> >>>>> A lot of articles about it lately have exposed the absurdities >>>>> and hypocrisy of some individuals and groups. And I can >>>>> understand the fear of some male wikipedians they will be >>>>> exposed to the most extreme varieties. It also gives the most >>>>> oppressive guys an excuse to label minor and legitimate demands >>>>> for safe space as "extremist." ("You extremist, you want to >>>>> mention contacting the Foundation on the Harassment page!!!") >>>>> >>>>> Glad I'm not in college! Or any "progressive" political groups >>>>> any more. Especially now that I am finally free of having to be >>>>> a "good girl" on Wikipedia and can engage in anti-establishment >>>>> mockery and sarcasm in my writings/artistic endeavors without >>>>> worrying about wikistalkers slamming me all over Wikipedia ;-) >>>>>

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Well done, feminism. Now men are afraid to help women at work
by rupert THURNER 06 Oct '15

06 Oct '15

the daily telegraph published an article with title "Well done, feminism. Now men are afraid to help women at work": http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/relationships/11904203/Well-done-feminism.-N… and linked to one with title "why powerful men now hide behind open doors": http://nypost.com/2015/05/26/why-powerful-men-now-hide-behind-open-doors/ what do you think about such pieces of text? rupert

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Meeting at the Wikiconference?
by Francesca Tripodi 06 Oct '15

06 Oct '15

Hello list members! I am not sure if any of you are planning on attending the upcoming conference in DC but it would be wonderful we we could organize a meet up for those who might be coming. In taking a look at the schedule it seems that lunch will be served on the first day. Perhaps we could plan to meet and eat together during this time (either at the conference or venturing to another location)? http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/2015/Schedule I am a graduate student working on how women and minorities are silenced in participatory media spaces and I'd love the chance to speak with more of you "off line" about your experiences. Safe travels to those attending - -- Francesca Tripodi, PhD Candidate (Sociology) PhD Intern | Office of the Dean of Students ftripodi.com

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Re: [Gendergap] Meeting at the Wikiconference?
by Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight 06 Oct '15

06 Oct '15

I'm looking forward to it. Safe travels, everyone. Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight User:Rosiestep @rosiestep Linkedin:rosiestephenson

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New member
by Robert Williams 06 Oct '15

06 Oct '15

Hello, My on-wiki username is Eat me, I'm an azuki (formerly Eat me, I'm a red bean). My main wiki is enwiki, so you can contact me on my talk there (as opposed to, say, my talkpage on the Finnish Wikinews). I am this list's newest member. I wish to share my views about the gender gap issue on Wikimedia projects, but first I would like to know you all better. I hope that this list will generate a lot of interesting discussions that can help me gain some insight about this issue too. Yours, Eat me, I'm an azuki

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