Thank you. But I do not believe these Guidelines are used fairly when it
comes to author's gender. Again..why would every novel by Clive Cussler get
its own page but there be a notability query about one by Zoë Wicomb??
This seems to me pure gender bias.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Nathan <nawrich(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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>
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> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Kathleen McCook <klmccook(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I took off the scheduled for deletion notice or maybe it was lack of
>> notability he put up. I couldn't bear. I am fearful he will put it back.
>>
>> This is the issue--how can a male editor decide a woman's novel is not
>> notable. on what basis? On what basis in Clive Cussler notable?
>>
>>>
>>>
>
> Hi Kathleen, in answer to your question, the notability guideline is the
> basis by which both male and female editors should assess articles. You can
> find it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability
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My intention was to point out that a series of novels (Cussler's) that
don't meet the criteria applied to __October__ have full pages. The two
authors are in no way similar. In fact, they are as far apart as they could
be. However, the male author has complete coverage of every jot and tittle.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I believe what caused the more in-depth examination was the creation of a
> brand new, otherwise unlinked category for the book, which drew the
> attention of a very different group of editors than the ones who pay
> attention to works of fiction. You've got the category-interested editors
> looking at the article, instead of the fiction-interested editors.
>
> It's just a notability tag, it's already been removed, and I'm sure folks
> will be able to find some more reviews about October (novel).
>
> I don't think it has anything at all to do with the fact that the author
> is a woman. As best I can tell, the only person comparing this novel to
> Cussler books is you.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
>
> On 22 July 2014 13:39, Kathleen McCook <klmccook(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The reason I asked to discuss here is to ascertain whether or not there
>> seems to be a different set of notability standards by gender.
>>
>> I encourage students to contribute to Wikipedia.
>> But when notability is an editor's decision with so many exceptions...how
>> do you encourage?
>>
>> Really, I am careful and if a book by a brilliant woman like Zoe Wicomb
>> causes notability queries..how, on earth, can this gender gap be addressed?
>>
>> Here is Ms. Wicomb's prize announcement at Yale.
>> http://windhamcampbell.org/2013/winner/zo%C3%AB-wicomb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case <
>>> dancase(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On what basis in Clive Cussler notable?
>>>>>
>>>> That he’s a regular denizen of the bestseller lists in many countries
>>>> who’s had works adapted into major motion pictures (To be honest, I think
>>>> we should say that “all published works by authors who have their
>>>> paperbacks displayed prominently in the racks near the front of bookstores
>>>> at airports are notable [image: Smile]“).
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I don't know. I had never heard of Cussler before today (don't
>>> spend a lot of time in airport bookshops), but I did look at a couple of
>>> his novels' Wikipedia articles, and they didn't indicate significance any
>>> better than the October article. (One of them had a single, ephemeral
>>> reference; the other had 7 that seemed pretty thin.)
>>>
>>> I can see how Kathleen would be frustrated by what surely appears from
>>> her perspective to be a double standard.
>>>
>>> Pete
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All, I started a page about Zoe Wicomb's new novel, October. It is a
beautiful novel and had great literary merit.
I received a message is it being considered for deletion. I wrote the
editor and gave him reasons not to delete and added another review.
The author has won the inaugural Windham-Campbell Prize. She South African,
from Namaqualand. (The editor also wants to delete Fiction from
Namaqualand, but it is a region w/o boundaries like the Arctic).
Every Clive Cussler Dirk Pitt adventure novel has its own page.
I am at a loss.
Spot on description, Sarah, of why not to nominate an article at DYK, "...
drama, rude people, too "complex" of a process for something so simple".
Yup, DYK can be (is) dysfunctional and the DYK project doesn't take
criticism well. But if an article meets its requirements, it will
eventually make it to the main page. So nominating more articles seems to
make sense.
I haven't witnessed gender bias within DYK, i.e. women's biographies don't
appear to be treated differently than men's; self-identified female
nominators don't appear to be treated differently than male nominators. But
if you are aware of a nominator being treated poorly because of her gender,
or really anything related to gender bias within the DYK process, I'd be
very receptive to hearing from you, either through a reply here, or email
me directly.
I appreciate all your feedback -- so keep it coming -- and I will work on a
proposal to tackle this issue. Wish me luck!
-Rosie
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> DYK is pretty dysfunctional behind the scenes so I don't think there's any
> hope of changing DYK processes to address this issue. What can be done is
> to encourage individual WikiProjects addressing the gender gap to include
> submitting new and improved articles to DYK as a part of their regular
> process of article improvement. It's very easy to get a good article onto
> DYK once it is submitted there.
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> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Rosiestep Wiki <rosiestep.wiki(a)gmail.com
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> wrote:
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> > I've noticed this for years -- fewer women's biographies vs. men's in an
> > average week at the DYK section of the main page. Maybe I've noticed this
> > because I'm a highly prolific contributor to DYK. But I've wondered how
> > many reader eyeballs land on the main page and notice the same thing?
> >
> > Some statistics here:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions
> >
> > Annually, there's a preponderance of women's biographies in March
> (Women's
> > History Month). And during the rest of the year, there's the occasional
> set
> > (6-7 "hooks") or occasional day (2-3 sets) where the majority of the
> > biographies are regarding women. But it's an uncommon occurrence over the
> > course of a week. The reason seems simple: fewer women's biographies are
> > being nominated by editors, so fewer are promoted, and fewer appear at
> DYK.
> > It almost goes without saying that fewer women's biographies are
> > created/expanded compared to men's but it's actually important to address
> > this, as IMO, it's the crux of the problem. I am not suggesting and would
> > not support setting limits on the number of men's biographies which
> appear
> > at DYK. Instead, I'd like to believe that issue/problem recognition is
> the
> > first step before we brainstorm some objectives, develop workplans (i.e.
> > monthly edit-a-thons anyone?), and measure outcomes.
> >
> > I'm considering creating a proposal and applying for a grant to work on
> > this "percentage issue". Feedback?
> >
> > -Rosie
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This subject was discussed during this month's Research and Data showcase.
>From Leila's summary:
> *Using Open Data and Stories to Broaden Crowd Content
> *By Nathan Matias*:
> Nathan will share a series of research on gender diversity online and
> designs for collaborative content creation that foster learning and
> community. He will also demo a prototype for a system that could leverage
> open data to attract and support new Wikipedia contributors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E4JcxTgmco
Pine
I've noticed this for years -- fewer women's biographies vs. men's in an
average week at the DYK section of the main page. Maybe I've noticed this
because I'm a highly prolific contributor to DYK. But I've wondered how
many reader eyeballs land on the main page and notice the same thing?
Some statistics here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions
Annually, there's a preponderance of women's biographies in March (Women's
History Month). And during the rest of the year, there's the occasional set
(6-7 "hooks") or occasional day (2-3 sets) where the majority of the
biographies are regarding women. But it's an uncommon occurrence over the
course of a week. The reason seems simple: fewer women's biographies are
being nominated by editors, so fewer are promoted, and fewer appear at DYK.
It almost goes without saying that fewer women's biographies are
created/expanded compared to men's but it's actually important to address
this, as IMO, it's the crux of the problem. I am not suggesting and would
not support setting limits on the number of men's biographies which appear
at DYK. Instead, I'd like to believe that issue/problem recognition is the
first step before we brainstorm some objectives, develop workplans (i.e.
monthly edit-a-thons anyone?), and measure outcomes.
I'm considering creating a proposal and applying for a grant to work on
this "percentage issue". Feedback?
-Rosie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rosiestep