Gendergap September 2013

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Minor explosion on dawiki
by Ole Palnatoke Andersen 30 Sep '13

30 Sep '13

Yesterday, stand up comedienne Sanne Søndergaard* ** noticed "Wikipedia for kvinder"***, dawiki's portal for women, and her reaction was "WTF?"**** The discussion on Facebook has had its ups and downs. One particular down is a lot of name-calling amongst the women in the discussion. It appears, however, that some people are allergic to pink, and that some people find the text condescending and patronising. The kerfluffle has caused quite a lot of views on the portal - on ordinary days, it has ~20-30 hits; yesterday 5159. ***** Oh, and at WikiWednesday the day after tomorrow, we'll probably talk about pinkness and stuff.****** Regards, Ole *) http://solosanne.dk/ **) https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanne_S%C3%B8ndergaard ***) https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_for_kvinder ****) https://www.facebook.com/SanneSonder/posts/609718455741119 *****) http://stats.grok.se/da/latest90/Wikipedia:Wikipedia%20for%20kvinder ******) https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiWednesday/2013#Oktober -- http://palnatoke.org * @palnatoke * +4522934588

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Call for feedback on Welcome to Wikipedia brochure
by LiAnna Davis 30 Sep '13

30 Sep '13

(Please excuse cross-posting) Over the next few months, I will be overhauling the Welcome to Wikipedia brochure[1] to better reflect what new editors need to know when learning how to contribute to Wikipedia. I'm hoping to get a wide variety of feedback on what people like and do not like about the current brochure so I can create a new version that reflects the best knowledge we collectively have about outreach to newbies. Please see more details and add your feedback here: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Welcome_to_Wikipedia_(Bookshelf)/2013_e… LiAnna [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Welcome_to_Wikipedia_brochure_EN.pdf -- LiAnna Davis Wikipedia Education Program Communications Manager Wikimedia Foundation http://education.wikimedia.org (415) 839-6885 x6649 ldavis(a)wikimedia.org

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New IEG proposal
by Keilana 28 Sep '13

28 Sep '13

Hi all, I just wanted to let you know about a proposal I've put up on Meta. I'm currently piloting a project at my university, Loyola University Chicago, to increase participation among women students and improve content on women scientists. I want to learn from this model and create a template that can be used at other institutions and conduct outreach and testing in the Chicago area. I've put in an IEG proposal here ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Women_Scientists_Workshop_Develo…) and I would love to have some feedback from people on this list! Thanks very much. -Emily

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unsubscribing - sabbatical
by Sumana Harihareswara 23 Sep '13

23 Sep '13

Hi folks. Just wanted to let you know I'm unsubscribing from the gendergap list in advance of the start of my sabbatical - more info at http://www.harihareswara.net/sumana/2013/08/28/1 . If you need to talk about Wikimedia technical community stuff or communication before January, please consult Quim Gil, qgil at wikimedia dot org, or Guillaume Paumier, gpaumier at wikimedia dot org. Thanks! Looking forward to coming back in January. Sumana Harihareswara Engineering Community Manager Wikimedia Foundation

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Equanity and Sameness
by john allyn 22 Sep '13

22 Sep '13

Somehow you appear to think that equality and sameness are synonymous. It is not possible to close the gender gap by defining male and female as the same. This kind of thinking will drive the wedge deeper because each will be invalidated for who they are. ________________________________ From: "gendergap-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org" <gendergap-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> To: gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:00 AM Subject: Gendergap Digest, Vol 32, Issue 10 Send Gendergap mailing list submissions to gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to gendergap-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at gendergap-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Gendergap digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Gendergap Digest, Vol 32, Issue 9 (john allyn) 2. Re: Gendergap Digest, Vol 32, Issue 9 (Emily Monroe) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 14:21:07 -0700 (PDT) From: john allyn <jaddtwo(a)yahoo.com> To: "gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org" <gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Gendergap Digest, Vol 32, Issue 9 Message-ID: <1379366467.96269.YahooMailNeo(a)web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Somehow you appear to think that equality and sameness are synonymous. It is not possible to close the gender gap by defining male and female as the same. This kind of thinking will drive the wedge deeper because each will be invalidated for who they are. ________________________________ From: "gendergap-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org" <gendergap-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> To: gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 6:00 AM Subject: Gendergap Digest, Vol 32, Issue 9 Send Gendergap mailing list submissions to gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to gendergap-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at gendergap-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Gendergap digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Archaic gendered terminology (Lane Rasberry) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 15:43:47 -0400 From: Lane Rasberry <lane(a)bluerasberry.com> To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects." <gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Archaic gendered terminology Message-ID: <CAJb6Kh5SLCkCo9BFB4LHJCf+NJkAcMno6XNk+Mk0EhKUAez8qQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello, I expect that many people will continue to use the term "actress" for females in the profession. I notice that the Amy Johnson discussion raises that. A couple of years ago I got to review an elementary English textbook being distributed in very large numbers in North India. It was an original work seemingly derived from public domain content and had a section on gendered nouns, including "negro" and "negress". I looked at the time for a style guide on best practices for gendered term and I could not find anything clear when I looked then, but obviously there is bad information to be found online among the public domain texts and it really grated on me that new print works were being distributed to teach children such things. We might not be so far from the day when someone could publish a Wikipedia Manual of Style and expect it to be an authoritative text. I am not sure what the right answer is in this case but whatever you find please consider noting on the manual of style because this question will come up again. Thanks for sharing. On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Gobonobo <gobonobo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I've been going through a lot of historical biographies lately and am > surprised to see how often archaic gendered terms such as poetess, > sculptress, and aviatrix crop up in Wikipedia articles. I know some of > these come from the older sources such as the 1911 Britannica, but in other > cases their inclusion is the result of decisions being made by editors. > There's currently a discussion on [[Talk:Amy Johnson]] over whether she > should be referred to as an aviatrix, for instance. > > I'm wondering how this has been dealt with previously and if there are > specific policies surrounding such uses. I've found the essays > [[Wikipedia:Gender-neutral language]] and [[Wikipedia:Use modern language]] > and note that [[WP:MOS]] says "use gender-neutral language where this can > be done with clarity and precision". It seems as if despite these fairly > clear precepts, the use of these terms persists. > > Are there any archaic terms where it has been broadly agreed that using > them is not encyclopedic? I would be much obliged if anyone could point me > to previous discussions about this. > > ~Gobonobo > > ______________________________**_________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/gendergap<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap> > -- Lane Rasberry 206.801.0814 lane(a)bluerasberry.com

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gender neutral language
by trueself56 . 21 Sep '13

21 Sep '13

I offer this website as a resource for many things including excellent examples of gender neutral language. mit.edu style guide<http://web.mit.edu/comdor/editguide/style-matters/gender_neutral.html> . Regards, Nora

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Reminder: Deadline proposals/scholarships for Wikimedia Diversity Conference, 20 Sept 2013
by Cornelia Trefflich 19 Sep '13

19 Sep '13

Hey everyone, this is just a reminder that tomorrow, Friday, 20 September 2013, is the last day open to submit session proposals and apply for scholarships to the Wikimedia Diversity Conference [1], taking place on 9 and 10 November 2013 in Berlin, Germany. You may still register for participating in the conference until *20 October 2013*, but there will no longer be an option to apply for scholarships and submit session proposals. For further questions, please do not hesitate to get in touch with the organising team [2]. Kind regards, Cornelia [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Diversity_Conference [2] diversity(a)wikimedia.de -- Cornelia Trefflich ------------------------------ Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstraße 72 10963 Berlin Telefon 030 - 219 158 26-0 www.wikimedia.de Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch freien Zugang zu der Gesamtheit des Wissens der Menschheit hat. Helfen Sie uns dabei! http://spenden.wikimedia.de/ Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.

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Re: [Gendergap] Gendergap Digest, Vol 32, Issue 9
by john allyn 19 Sep '13

19 Sep '13

Somehow you appear to think that equality and sameness are synonymous. It is not possible to close the gender gap by defining male and female as the same. This kind of thinking will drive the wedge deeper because each will be invalidated for who they are. ________________________________ From: "gendergap-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org" <gendergap-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> To: gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 6:00 AM Subject: Gendergap Digest, Vol 32, Issue 9 Send Gendergap mailing list submissions to gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to gendergap-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at gendergap-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Gendergap digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Archaic gendered terminology (Lane Rasberry) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 15:43:47 -0400 From: Lane Rasberry <lane(a)bluerasberry.com> To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects." <gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Archaic gendered terminology Message-ID: <CAJb6Kh5SLCkCo9BFB4LHJCf+NJkAcMno6XNk+Mk0EhKUAez8qQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello, I expect that many people will continue to use the term "actress" for females in the profession. I notice that the Amy Johnson discussion raises that. A couple of years ago I got to review an elementary English textbook being distributed in very large numbers in North India. It was an original work seemingly derived from public domain content and had a section on gendered nouns, including "negro" and "negress". I looked at the time for a style guide on best practices for gendered term and I could not find anything clear when I looked then, but obviously there is bad information to be found online among the public domain texts and it really grated on me that new print works were being distributed to teach children such things. We might not be so far from the day when someone could publish a Wikipedia Manual of Style and expect it to be an authoritative text. I am not sure what the right answer is in this case but whatever you find please consider noting on the manual of style because this question will come up again. Thanks for sharing. On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Gobonobo <gobonobo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I've been going through a lot of historical biographies lately and am > surprised to see how often archaic gendered terms such as poetess, > sculptress, and aviatrix crop up in Wikipedia articles. I know some of > these come from the older sources such as the 1911 Britannica, but in other > cases their inclusion is the result of decisions being made by editors. > There's currently a discussion on [[Talk:Amy Johnson]] over whether she > should be referred to as an aviatrix, for instance. > > I'm wondering how this has been dealt with previously and if there are > specific policies surrounding such uses. I've found the essays > [[Wikipedia:Gender-neutral language]] and [[Wikipedia:Use modern language]] > and note that [[WP:MOS]] says "use gender-neutral language where this can > be done with clarity and precision". It seems as if despite these fairly > clear precepts, the use of these terms persists. > > Are there any archaic terms where it has been broadly agreed that using > them is not encyclopedic? I would be much obliged if anyone could point me > to previous discussions about this. > > ~Gobonobo > > ______________________________**_________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/gendergap<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap> > -- Lane Rasberry 206.801.0814 lane(a)bluerasberry.com

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Archaic gendered terminology
by Gobonobo 15 Sep '13

15 Sep '13

I've been going through a lot of historical biographies lately and am surprised to see how often archaic gendered terms such as poetess, sculptress, and aviatrix crop up in Wikipedia articles. I know some of these come from the older sources such as the 1911 Britannica, but in other cases their inclusion is the result of decisions being made by editors. There's currently a discussion on [[Talk:Amy Johnson]] over whether she should be referred to as an aviatrix, for instance. I'm wondering how this has been dealt with previously and if there are specific policies surrounding such uses. I've found the essays [[Wikipedia:Gender-neutral language]] and [[Wikipedia:Use modern language]] and note that [[WP:MOS]] says "use gender-neutral language where this can be done with clarity and precision". It seems as if despite these fairly clear precepts, the use of these terms persists. Are there any archaic terms where it has been broadly agreed that using them is not encyclopedic? I would be much obliged if anyone could point me to previous discussions about this. ~Gobonobo

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Suggestions for female biographical articles
by Russavia 09 Sep '13

09 Sep '13

Hey all, Over recent months I have uploaded around 150,000 photos from high value Flickr streams, and as I go through the uploads cleaning them up I am coming across photos of many notable females (politics, social activists, diplomatic, etc) that should probably have articles on our projects, but which don't exist. I have written many an article based purely on the notion of us having freely licenced media available, and I was wondering if anyone would be interested if I wrote up a list of these missing articles that people might like to look at writing up. Cheers, Russavia

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