Gendergap August 2011

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Gender Gap IRC?
by Sarah Stierch 20 Aug '11

20 Aug '11

Any thoughts on having a gender gap or women's outreach IRC channel? I think it'd be nice to have an open hang out for those interested (of any gender) to participate in not only conversation, but, have live action dialogue about articles of concern and so forth. Or is that opening a can of worms that shouldn't be opened? I like the idea, but, if it'd be just me sitting in a room by myself...that'd be no fun! -Sarah -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for the Wikimedia Foundation<http://www.glamwiki.org> Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Art<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch> and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.* ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.sarahstierch.com/

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Re: [Gendergap] FW: Proposal: Forking gendergap: Main list for women and transgender, sublist for male supporters
by Adrianne Wadewitz 19 Aug '11

19 Aug '11

Clearly the arguments here are a rehashing of two different versions of feminist action - and both have been successful in winning rights and opportunities for women in the Western world. Which you prefer often comes down to a philosophical difference about "essentialism" - do you believe that women are essentially different than men? As that question is unresolvable on this list, I suggest we turn to practical questions to resolve this issue. 1) Since we cannot know contributors' sex for certain (and thus predict their reactions based on any kind of essentialist philosophy), I am unconvinced that forking the list would be effective in the way that such groups have been for the feminist movement already. 2) Since the number of people in the Wikipedia community who want to work on this problem is small, we should work together until such time as multiple groups are even feasible. Too much fracturing diffuses the impact we can make. 3) Many women react in ways that are just as sexist as men. Some of the most damaging sexism I have seen on Wikipedia came from female editors. We should not exclude male voices based on the assumption that they could be sexist but allow any female voice. My two cents. Adrianne (User:Awadewit) -- Adrianne Wadewitz Teaching Fellow English department Indiana University

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Re Laurence Alma-Tadema
by Ashwin Baindur 17 Aug '11

17 Aug '11

Hi Fred, Increased [[Laurence Alma-Tadema]] in size from a one-liner to a respectable stub (discounting the list of her works) with two references. This is about all I could find about her from Google, Books, Scholars. Rest of the references are behind copyrighted/pay walls. Sources routinely mispell her father's name which is [[Lawrence Alma-Tadema]] who was a famous painter more notable than his daughter and these links adulterate any search on her name. Hope this helps. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------

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Scoop.it for Women and Wikimedia, the Signpost, and lack of female artists
by Sarah Stierch 17 Aug '11

17 Aug '11

Hi everyone, I recently created a scoop.it for Women and Wikimedia. http://www.scoop.it/t/women-and-wikimedia Feel free to email me directly if I'm missing something or if you're own language has content worth sharing through it. :) Also, this weeks *Signpost* is featuring Women and Wikipedia as its headline: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-08-15/Women_… I'm serving as the Wikipedian in Residence at the Archives of American Art this summer, and I've been doing a lot of writing about female artists. I recently edited an article about the Woman's Building<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman%27s_Building>, a feminist art school and collective that was a catalyst for the feminist art scene in the 1970s-80s. While writing the article, I started to create a list of women who participated in the Building. I realized the majority were not on Wikipedia, and a large portion of them are notable (in the art/music/literary scenes). So, I created this list on my userspace: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch/Women%27s_artists_without_ar… So for all those folks who believe there is little content to be contributed to Wikipedia, I ask you to take a look at these red links. :D And perhaps contribute an article! Go team! -Sarah -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for the Wikimedia Foundation<http://www.glamwiki.org> Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Art<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch> and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.* ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.sarahstierch.com/

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Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting, needs investigating
by Susan Spencer 17 Aug '11

17 Aug '11

Wikipedia editors, Can someone look into Danese's pages please? She probably wouldn't mind if someone contacted her directly to find out more. - Susan Spencer Conklin ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Danese Cooper <danese(a)gmail.com> Date: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM Subject: Re: Knitters and Coders: separated at birth? To: Mackenzie Morgan <macoafi(a)gmail.com> Cc: debian-women <debian-women(a)lists.debian.org> danese on Ravelry, as in life ;-). I've written quite a lot about knitting in public, although for some reason the Wikipedia community won't leave those references on my page :-(. D On Apr 13, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Mackenzie Morgan <macoafi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2011/4/13 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso <jordigh(a)octave.org>: >> This is a cute blog post: >> >> http://www.cs4fn.org/regularexpressions/knitters.php >> >> I know some of you knit, so perhaps you'll find this amusing. Btw, any >> Debianistas on Ravelry? I'm JordiGH there. > > I'm macoafi on Ravelry, and I wrote a blog post about crochet & coding > & reverse engineering a bit ago: > http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2010/10/algorithms-reverse-engine… > > (more of an Ubuntu person here, but I do maintain a couple Debian packages...) > > -- > Mackenzie Morgan > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-women-request(a)lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTinpAtHeu2SNevs+4TmSnBYJtw8wNA@mail.gmail.com > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-women-request(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BF0E13AC-DA93-4146-80A6-7888AFBEDF08@gmail.com

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Re: [Gendergap] [Commons-l] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons + Indigenous + Gender
by Sarah Stierch 17 Aug '11

17 Aug '11

Hi Aaron and everyone, This is a really painful thing for me to read. As a scholar, my research work has been based around the representation of Indigenous peoples of North America in media and culture. I sincerely doubt that any of the "tribal members" I know would say that this is a valid work that would showcase their Indigenous cultures as anything but another stereotype. Just as I'm sure some women of Tahiti today would question the relevance today of Gauguin's paintings which often showcased nude or partially nude Tahitian women - art revered by both genders and the Western art world. However, I'm not seeking to speak on behalf of these individuals and communities, nor am I hear to discuss the creators goal or context with this featured image. It's more of the fact that /this/ is considered a choice for the featured front page and the concern that it has given me as a female contributor to Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, etc. You also stated that you do not want to compromise "our core values just to try to close a "gap" that some feel is such a big issue, if it even exists." This gap does exist, in fact an entire mailing list (which I have cc'd here and I encourage anyone interested in the topic to join) was created to work towards bridging this gap. This was triggered by an article titled "Define Gender Gap? Look Up Wikipedia's Contributor List" by Noam Cohen, published Jan 30 2011 in /The New York Times/: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/31/business/media/31link.html A great and interesting conversation took place by NYT to reflect on this situation, which you can read here: http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/02/02/where-are-the-women-in-wiki… I do hope that perhaps those two articles can show you that there /is /a problem, and there are many concerned Wikipedians of all genders, skin tones, and identities aiming to change that. That is when images like this deter us from our expansive mission to be more inclusive. And this has nothing to do with me being "sensitive to toplessness" - you don't know anything about my lifestyle or character to assume that, regardless of where I live or where I was born. #wikilove, Sarah On 5/15/2011 10:53 PM, Aaron Adrignola wrote: > Commons is not censored. It's a beautiful scene and it would be > expected that the an imaginary tribal member would not have the > American sensitivities to toplessness. Some images may offend. Some > articles may offend. We're not going to compromise our core values > just to try to close a "gap" that some feel is such a big issue, if it > even exists. > > On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 9:31 PM, CherianTinu Abraham > <tinucherian(a)gmail.com <mailto:tinucherian@gmail.com>> wrote: > > FYI > > Regards > Tinu Cherian > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Sarah Stierch* <sarah(a)sarahstierch.com > <mailto:sarah@sarahstierch.com>> > Date: Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:33 AM > Subject: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>> > > > Surely I'm not the only one who noticed this lovely gem of a photo > of the day today. In my work environment - NFWS. > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page > > Direct link to image: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:On_the_edge_-_free_world_version.jpg > > I mean really? /facepalm > > This is the kind of imagery I have no desire to see on the front > page of Commons. I'm a very liberal person, but, this makes me not > want to even allow my MOTHER to use Commons. > > #wikilove, > > Sarah > > > -- > Wikipedia Regional Ambassador, D.C. Region > Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Art > > Sarah Stierch Consulting > Historical, cultural & artistic research, advising & event planning. > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.sarahstierch.com/ <http://www.sarahstierch.com> > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > _______________________________________________ > Commons-l mailing list > Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l > > Wikipedia Regional Ambassador, D.C. Region Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Art -- Sarah Stierch Consulting Historical, cultural & artistic research, advising & event planning. ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.sarahstierch.com/ <http://www.sarahstierch.com>

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Video from the University of Minnesota about the recent research project
by Sarah Stierch 15 Aug '11

15 Aug '11

Really nice video about the research work the team at the University of Minnesota did recently about the gender gap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of93QwXixJg On a selfish note, *The Three Graces*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Graces_%28Indianapolis%29>, an article that was written as part of the Wikiproject: Public Art college assignment projects is featured on it. I believe this article was written by a female student (waiting for confirmation from a colleague). I spoke at Wikimania about how the majority of the new editors and articles written for WP Public Art through our college program are women. :) And it does make me snicker that both of those interviewed are men. ;D -Sarah -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for the Wikimedia Foundation<http://www.glamwiki.org> Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Art<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch> and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.* ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.sarahstierch.com/

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Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#Kris_Carr
by Fred Bauder 15 Aug '11

15 Aug '11

Undeleted, but now quite dated https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undel… Fred

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WikiChix Lunch Report
by Sarah Stierch 15 Aug '11

15 Aug '11

Hi everyone, Sorry I didn't get this email out a bit sooner, I have switched this mailing list to be associated with my main email address. I wrote up a review of the WikiChix lunch at Wikimania 2011. http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiChix_Lunch_2011 A great experience as always, and I wish I had more time to connect with more of the Wiki-Women while I was at Wikimania. Soon enough, I hope! :) -Sarah -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for the Wikimedia Foundation<http://www.glamwiki.org> Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Art<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch> and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.* ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.sarahstierch.com/

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Laurence Alma-Tadema
by Fred Bauder 14 Aug '11

14 Aug '11

Perhaps someone could do some more work on the article about Laurence Alma-Tadema I don't know much about her. But saw her poem If No One Ever Marries Me http://www.artmagick.com/poetry/poem.aspx?id=12036&name=if-no-one-ever-marr… on TED Talks http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/natalie_merchant_sings_old_poems_to_life.… Fred Bauder

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