Wikipedia editors,
Can someone look into Danese's pages please? She probably wouldn't mind if someone contacted her directly to find out more.
- Susan Spencer Conklin
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Danese Cooper danese@gmail.com Date: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM Subject: Re: Knitters and Coders: separated at birth? To: Mackenzie Morgan macoafi@gmail.com Cc: debian-women debian-women@lists.debian.org
danese on Ravelry, as in life ;-). I've written quite a lot about knitting in public, although for some reason the Wikipedia community won't leave those references on my page :-(.
D
On Apr 13, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Mackenzie Morgan macoafi@gmail.com wrote:
2011/4/13 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso jordigh@octave.org:
This is a cute blog post:
http://www.cs4fn.org/regularexpressions/knitters.phpI know some of you knit, so perhaps you'll find this amusing. Btw, any Debianistas on Ravelry? I'm JordiGH there.
I'm macoafi on Ravelry, and I wrote a blog post about crochet & coding & reverse engineering a bit ago:
http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2010/10/algorithms-reverse-enginee...
(more of an Ubuntu person here, but I do maintain a couple Debian
packages...)
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Maybe I'm missing something - what's her username?
Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :)
On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Susan Spencer susan.spencer@gmail.com wrote:
Wikipedia editors,
Can someone look into Danese's pages please? She probably wouldn't mind if someone contacted her directly to find out more.
- Susan Spencer Conklin
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Danese Cooper danese@gmail.com Date: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM Subject: Re: Knitters and Coders: separated at birth? To: Mackenzie Morgan macoafi@gmail.com Cc: debian-women debian-women@lists.debian.org
danese on Ravelry, as in life ;-). I've written quite a lot about knitting in public, although for some reason the Wikipedia community won't leave those references on my page :-(.
D
On Apr 13, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Mackenzie Morgan macoafi@gmail.com wrote:
2011/4/13 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso jordigh@octave.org:
This is a cute blog post:
http://www.cs4fn.org/regularexpressions/knitters.phpI know some of you knit, so perhaps you'll find this amusing. Btw, any Debianistas on Ravelry? I'm JordiGH there.
I'm macoafi on Ravelry, and I wrote a blog post about crochet & coding & reverse engineering a bit ago: http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2010/10/algorithms-reverse-enginee...
(more of an Ubuntu person here, but I do maintain a couple Debian packages...)
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Her wikipedia page is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper
and I believe she's referring to the Personal section which has been edited a few times. The most recent time I can see someone putting back the removed knitting references is: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=348062767
And the most recent removal is: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=386051343
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah@sarahstierch.com wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something - what's her username?
Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :)
On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Susan Spencer susan.spencer@gmail.com wrote:
Wikipedia editors,
Can someone look into Danese's pages please? She probably wouldn't mind if someone contacted her directly to find out more.
- Susan Spencer Conklin
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Danese Cooper danese@gmail.com Date: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM Subject: Re: Knitters and Coders: separated at birth? To: Mackenzie Morgan macoafi@gmail.com Cc: debian-women debian-women@lists.debian.org
danese on Ravelry, as in life ;-). I've written quite a lot about knitting in public, although for some reason the Wikipedia community won't leave those references on my page :-(.
Wow, the talk page is insane, and is one reason why I "gave up" in the beginning.
I might take a stab on my own userspace to re-write this article. I'm somewhat addicted fixing crappy BLP's. Perhaps I'll send it your way (here) before I post it.
On 4/13/2011 3:15 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
Her wikipedia page is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper
and I believe she's referring to the Personal section which has been edited a few times. The most recent time I can see someone putting back the removed knitting references is: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=348062767
And the most recent removal is: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=386051343
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Sarah Stierchsarah@sarahstierch.com wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something - what's her username?
Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :)
On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Susan Spencersusan.spencer@gmail.com wrote:
Wikipedia editors,
Can someone look into Danese's pages please? She probably wouldn't mind if someone contacted her directly to find out more.
- Susan Spencer Conklin
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Danese Cooperdanese@gmail.com Date: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM Subject: Re: Knitters and Coders: separated at birth? To: Mackenzie Morganmacoafi@gmail.com Cc: debian-womendebian-women@lists.debian.org
danese on Ravelry, as in life ;-). I've written quite a lot about knitting in public, although for some reason the Wikipedia community won't leave those references on my page :-(.
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 13:35, Sarah Stierch sarah@sarahstierch.com wrote:
Wow, the talk page is insane, and is one reason why I "gave up" in the beginning.
I might take a stab on my own userspace to re-write this article. I'm somewhat addicted fixing crappy BLP's. Perhaps I'll send it your way (here) before I post it.
Could someone say again which article and talk page we're discussing? I've looked at this one -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper -- but can't see the issue. Ditto with the talk page.
Sarah
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 13:35, Sarah Stierch sarah@sarahstierch.com wrote:
Wow, the talk page is insane, and is one reason why I "gave up" in the beginning.
I might take a stab on my own userspace to re-write this article. I'm somewhat addicted fixing crappy BLP's. Perhaps I'll send it your way (here) before I post it.
Could someone say again which article and talk page we're discussing? I've looked at this one -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper -- but can't see the issue. Ditto with the talk page.
Sarah
Here is the removal of the information about knitting:
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&am...
Removed again:
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&am...
This is where it was put in:
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&am...
Seems harmless enough, and hardly requires a substantial reference.
Fred
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 15:48, Fred Bauder fredbaud@fairpoint.net wrote:
Could someone say again which article and talk page we're discussing? I've looked at this one -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper -- but can't see the issue. Ditto with the talk page.
Sarah
Here is the removal of the information about knitting:
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&am...
Removed again:
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&am...
This is where it was put in:
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&am...
Seems harmless enough, and hardly requires a substantial reference.
Fred
Thanks, Fred. I can't see that there's a major issue (one way or the other), and the edits are from over a year ago.
Hi there...
So, first of all (since Susan who originally posted this didn't know) I'm employed by Wikimedia Foundation. My bio page predates my employment by 6 years, but when I started working for WMF the Community did a "make-over" on my page and I had to re-prove many facts of my life. This year, on roughly the anniversary of my hire, a deletionist tried to invalidate my bio because it was mostly Open Source folks who had edited it and therefore the deletionist claimed Conflict Of Interest (you can see it all in Discussion and subsequent ArbCom query)...somehow in that fracas, the knitting references were dropped and not replaced...which I think is a pity because when it is there many people ask me about knitting in public and I've been able to get several programmers (of both genders) to learn to knit as a way to deal with attention issues.
As a sidenote in case you wish to restore the whole Personal section...here's a better link that explains my Dad really did own a rare Alfa Romeo with my unusual name spelling.
http://forum.miata.net/vb/archive/index.php/t-382563.html
and also
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/4406/Nardi-Danese-Alfa-Romeo-Roadster.htm... Ours was the chassis 948-11, which is described at the bottom of the article.
D
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Mackenzie Morgan macoafi@gmail.comwrote:
Her wikipedia page is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper
and I believe she's referring to the Personal section which has been edited a few times. The most recent time I can see someone putting back the removed knitting references is: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=348062767
And the most recent removal is: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=386051343
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah@sarahstierch.com wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something - what's her username?
Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :)
On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Susan Spencer susan.spencer@gmail.com
wrote:
Wikipedia editors,
Can someone look into Danese's pages please? She probably wouldn't mind if someone contacted her directly to find out more.
- Susan Spencer Conklin
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Danese Cooper danese@gmail.com Date: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM Subject: Re: Knitters and Coders: separated at birth? To: Mackenzie Morgan macoafi@gmail.com Cc: debian-women debian-women@lists.debian.org
danese on Ravelry, as in life ;-). I've written quite a lot about
knitting
in public, although for some reason the Wikipedia community won't leave those references on my page :-(.
-- Mackenzie Morgan
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Perhaps I'm just too new to writing BLP's (I've written five so far, and I have spoken with 3 of the artists) ...I don't believe I can use message boards and such to cite as sources. I know I have to limit the self-generated sources I use, such as your blog. While I trust you, maybe the folks on the talk page don't :-/ ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFPUB#Self-published_sources
Even if I have ten people confirm with me that you taught them how to knit, the information could very well be removed without the appropriate source citing.
This is a learning experience, that's for sure! And I admit, it's a bit surreal writing the BLP for the CTO of Wikimedia. :)
On 4/13/2011 3:58 PM, Danese Cooper wrote:
Hi there...
So, first of all (since Susan who originally posted this didn't know) I'm employed by Wikimedia Foundation. My bio page predates my employment by 6 years, but when I started working for WMF the Community did a "make-over" on my page and I had to re-prove many facts of my life. This year, on roughly the anniversary of my hire, a deletionist tried to invalidate my bio because it was mostly Open Source folks who had edited it and therefore the deletionist claimed Conflict Of Interest (you can see it all in Discussion and subsequent ArbCom query)...somehow in that fracas, the knitting references were dropped and not replaced...which I think is a pity because when it is there many people ask me about knitting in public and I've been able to get several programmers (of both genders) to learn to knit as a way to deal with attention issues.
As a sidenote in case you wish to restore the whole Personal section...here's a better link that explains my Dad really did own a rare Alfa Romeo with my unusual name spelling.
http://forum.miata.net/vb/archive/index.php/t-382563.html
and also
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/4406/Nardi-Danese-Alfa-Romeo-Roadster.htm... Ours was the chassis 948-11, which is described at the bottom of the article.
D
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Mackenzie Morgan <macoafi@gmail.com mailto:macoafi@gmail.com> wrote:
Her wikipedia page is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper and I believe she's referring to the Personal section which has been edited a few times. The most recent time I can see someone putting back the removed knitting references is: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=348062767 <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=348062767> And the most recent removal is: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=386051343 <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=386051343> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah@sarahstierch.com <mailto:sarah@sarahstierch.com>> wrote: > Maybe I'm missing something - what's her username? > > Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :) > > On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Susan Spencer <susan.spencer@gmail.com <mailto:susan.spencer@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Wikipedia editors, > > Can someone look into Danese's pages please? > She probably wouldn't mind if someone contacted her directly to find out > more. > > - Susan Spencer Conklin > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Danese Cooper <danese@gmail.com <mailto:danese@gmail.com>> > Date: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM > Subject: Re: Knitters and Coders: separated at birth? > To: Mackenzie Morgan <macoafi@gmail.com <mailto:macoafi@gmail.com>> > Cc: debian-women <debian-women@lists.debian.org <mailto:debian-women@lists.debian.org>> > > > danese on Ravelry, as in life ;-). I've written quite a lot about knitting > in public, although for some reason the Wikipedia community won't leave > those references on my page :-(. -- Mackenzie Morgan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-women-request@lists.debian.org <mailto:debian-women-request@lists.debian.org> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org <mailto:listmaster@lists.debian.org> Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTikBJ9NGyF2fzvL5ObKjG-6WEBuH=A@mail.gmail.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper
I was able to find a citing source about your knitting, but, I can't use the self-published sources about your dads car. Now, if someone wants to interview you and write that article, then sweet, I can use it =)
Sarah
On 4/13/2011 3:58 PM, Danese Cooper wrote:
Hi there...
So, first of all (since Susan who originally posted this didn't know) I'm employed by Wikimedia Foundation. My bio page predates my employment by 6 years, but when I started working for WMF the Community did a "make-over" on my page and I had to re-prove many facts of my life. This year, on roughly the anniversary of my hire, a deletionist tried to invalidate my bio because it was mostly Open Source folks who had edited it and therefore the deletionist claimed Conflict Of Interest (you can see it all in Discussion and subsequent ArbCom query)...somehow in that fracas, the knitting references were dropped and not replaced...which I think is a pity because when it is there many people ask me about knitting in public and I've been able to get several programmers (of both genders) to learn to knit as a way to deal with attention issues.
As a sidenote in case you wish to restore the whole Personal section...here's a better link that explains my Dad really did own a rare Alfa Romeo with my unusual name spelling.
http://forum.miata.net/vb/archive/index.php/t-382563.html
and also
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/4406/Nardi-Danese-Alfa-Romeo-Roadster.htm... Ours was the chassis 948-11, which is described at the bottom of the article.
D
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Mackenzie Morgan <macoafi@gmail.com mailto:macoafi@gmail.com> wrote:
Her wikipedia page is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper and I believe she's referring to the Personal section which has been edited a few times. The most recent time I can see someone putting back the removed knitting references is: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=348062767 <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=348062767> And the most recent removal is: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=386051343 <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&oldid=386051343> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah@sarahstierch.com <mailto:sarah@sarahstierch.com>> wrote: > Maybe I'm missing something - what's her username? > > Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :) > > On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Susan Spencer <susan.spencer@gmail.com <mailto:susan.spencer@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Wikipedia editors, > > Can someone look into Danese's pages please? > She probably wouldn't mind if someone contacted her directly to find out > more. > > - Susan Spencer Conklin > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Danese Cooper <danese@gmail.com <mailto:danese@gmail.com>> > Date: Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM > Subject: Re: Knitters and Coders: separated at birth? > To: Mackenzie Morgan <macoafi@gmail.com <mailto:macoafi@gmail.com>> > Cc: debian-women <debian-women@lists.debian.org <mailto:debian-women@lists.debian.org>> > > > danese on Ravelry, as in life ;-). I've written quite a lot about knitting > in public, although for some reason the Wikipedia community won't leave > those references on my page :-(. -- Mackenzie Morgan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-women-request@lists.debian.org <mailto:debian-women-request@lists.debian.org> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org <mailto:listmaster@lists.debian.org> Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTikBJ9NGyF2fzvL5ObKjG-6WEBuH=A@mail.gmail.com
The discussion here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Danese_Cooper) is a fantastic example of the type of dialogue that drives away contributors of all kinds, but perhaps disproportionately discourages women. It's particularly unfortunate when, as in this case, the source is an administrator.