I think both of you (Ingo and Rexford) have raised genuine concerns.
However my greatest worry is how we have allowed Wiki Indaba to translate
in our lives as Wikimedians.
Whether an active Wikimedian, a Community Lead, a Project Organizer, etc.
What have you done that reflects the direct implications of the conference
in your works and the knowledge amassed from there?
The essence of this conference can only be proven in our works, and in our
works are we solely responsible for. I wish to entreat us all to grow our
communities and better try to achieve our goals in the pledges we made at
the end of the conference (Wiki Indaba)
Hope to hear about our exploits soon!!
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Nkansah Rexford <nkansahrexford(a)gmail.com>
Using 'edits' only as a benchmark for someone's activeness on Wikimedia
websites might not necessarily be the best measurement.
There are some contributors who are not directly contributing to the wikis
but their help come in so well to get content onto Wikipedia or other
I will use my work as WIR at Africa centre as example here. Although I did
almost all the uploads of images taken, without Isla's paperwork assistance
and coordination with heritage organizations, there would not have been any
images in the first place to upload.
Thus, if you should look at my edits on Wikipedia or Commons, and say
because I uploaded 10 images but Isla didn't, so she 'doesn't' qualify,
kinda, to attend wiki indaba, well, I think you're flawed.
I hope we all don't expect everyone to equally edit on Wikipedia or other
project websites. Some don't contribute in direct ways, and its best to
have other means of measurement for such ones.
Creative Commons for instance funded a project that led to training and
reaching out to new ones in Ghana. So if one say, because the lead behind
such funding and project doesn't edit Wikipedia, so he or she (she is a she
in this case, namely, Kelsey) doesn't actually fit attending such a
conference, then we must be making a mistake then.
If I edit so well, but another don't, it doesn't mean the other isn't
active. It might be that the other is active in a way that's not directly
visible on the wikis.
Of course it is extremely impolite on such occasions to question the value
of the presence of others with whom you share a desk or a meal so I just
kept my thoughts to myself... But yeah, questions came..
Indeed, it would have been, kinda impolite, to do so. Because you would
have realized not all edit Wikipedia, but they likely are active in a way
that you aren't aware of.
And if you should ask me about what I write about, I might say, nothing.
But I uploaded more images to Commons than you perhaps edited Wikipedia,
and how about that?
On Apr 15, 2015 7:00 AM, "Isla Haddow-Flood" <islahf(a)africacentre.net>
Speaking as one of the initiators of WikiIndaba, I just wanted to clarify
the choice of delegates.
You are right, many people that were invited had little to no
understanding of editing Wikipedia. Because of the lamentable nature of the
editing community across Africa, it was felt that in countries where little
to no editing occurred but aligned activity (Creative Commons, open street
map, etc.) was active, we needed to invite people who had already proven
their commitment to the open movement and were part of an open community
within their country. In some cases it has helped to galvanize a fledgling
wikimedia community. In others, it wasn't so successful.
But it was early days, and we needed to start somewhere. Since
WikiIndaba, wikimedia usergroup Tunisia has hosted WikiArabia, which has
been very successful and has helped to galvanize the communities in North
Africa and ME.
Excuse the brevity, sent from my iPhone.
On 15 Apr 2015, at 07:04, Ingo Koll
RE: African-Wikimedians Digest, Vol 7, Issue 60, Participation in
I found it interesting to read the discussion linked in Asafs short
post. As the
Indaba was my first WMF-event ever I wondered about the
several people I met who obviously never or only very rarely had ever done
edits or written articles (one of my small-talk questions was: What do you
write about?). Of course it is extremely impolite on such occasions to
question the value of the presence of others with whom you share a desk or
a meal so I just kept my thoughts to myself... But yeah, questions came..
From the reply I do not yet quite understand how everybody came about
"country representative" whose en:account showed not 1 edit, as far as I
remember...). Was there a certain number of edits to show, or edits over a
certain period of time?
OK, interesting discussion
Cheers - Kipala
> 1. Re: Wiki Indaba? (Asaf Bartov)
> Another piece of context is the short discussion WMF and WMZA had over
grant report about the Indaba. It is available here:
>> the report itself is here:
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