An aditional note.
The problem is that a community can handle a quite specific workload. Some
of that goes into producing new articles, some goes into patrolling. Some
goes into maintenance of existing articles. When a project has to much
dynamic content (and it will always have some dynamic content) they start
to move into a maintenance mode, because they are swamped by the dynamic
content.
A typical indication that something is going on is that the patrol log
starts to overflow. Another is that the production of new articles starts
to drop, but that will drop anyhow because of addition of new content to
old articles.[1] To get good numbers we need the factor "new
content"/"edited old content". When that number start to drop then we know
that the community starts to run into problems.
If we had unlimited sources, then we could add more workload, but we don't
have unlimited sources (aka manhours). The community is limited. Adding new
work to the existing will thus not scale very well, if at all. We need ways
to cope with the existing workload, not additional work.
In short; nice thesis, but even if it can be _implemented_ it will not
scale on Wikipedia.
And of course, someone will surly claim that we could just just get some
more members in the community. Yes, sure, some of us has been working on
that for several years.[2]
[1]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stats-nowiki-2016-05-07-new-article…
[2]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stats-nowiki-2016-05-07-new-users.p…
On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 11:55 AM, John Erling Blad <jeblad(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Given Lydias post I wonder if it is to be expected
that editors on
Wikipedia shall manually import statements from Wikidata, as this is what
can be read out of this thesis. This will create a huge backlog of work on
all Wikipedias, and I can't see how we possibly can do this. For the moment
we have a huge backlog on sources on nowiki, and adding a lot of additional
manual work will not go very well with the community.
What is the plan, can Lydia or some else please clarify?
On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 11:43 PM, John Erling Blad <jeblad(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Page 21, moving to manual import of statements. I
would really like to
see the analysis written out that ends in this conclusion. It is very
tempting, but the idea don't scale.
We have now about 5-10 000 articles per active user. Those users have a
huge backlog of missing references. If they shall manage statements in
addition to their current backlog, then they will simply be overwhelmed.
On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Lydia Pintscher <
Lydia.Pintscher(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hey folks :)
Charlie has been working on concepts for making it possible to edit
Wikidata from Wikipedia and other wikis. This was her bachelor thesis. She
has now published it:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Facilitating_the_use_of_Wikidata_in…
I am very happy she put a lot of thought and work into figuring out all
the complexities of the topic and how to make this understandable for
editors. We still have more work to do on the concepts and then actually
have to implement it. Comments welcome.
Cheers
Lydia
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