An aditional note.
The problem is that a community can handle a quite specific workload. Some of that goes into producing new articles, some goes into patrolling. Some goes into maintenance of existing articles. When a project has to much dynamic content (and it will always have some dynamic content) they start to move into a maintenance mode, because they are swamped by the dynamic content.
A typical indication that something is going on is that the patrol log starts to overflow. Another is that the production of new articles starts to drop, but that will drop anyhow because of addition of new content to old articles.[1] To get good numbers we need the factor "new content"/"edited old content". When that number start to drop then we know that the community starts to run into problems.
If we had unlimited sources, then we could add more workload, but we don't have unlimited sources (aka manhours). The community is limited. Adding new work to the existing will thus not scale very well, if at all. We need ways to cope with the existing workload, not additional work.
In short; nice thesis, but even if it can be _implemented_ it will not scale on Wikipedia.
And of course, someone will surly claim that we could just just get some more members in the community. Yes, sure, some of us has been working on that for several years.[2]
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stats-nowiki-2016-05-07-new-articles... [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stats-nowiki-2016-05-07-new-users.pn...
On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 11:55 AM, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com wrote:
Given Lydias post I wonder if it is to be expected that editors on Wikipedia shall manually import statements from Wikidata, as this is what can be read out of this thesis. This will create a huge backlog of work on all Wikipedias, and I can't see how we possibly can do this. For the moment we have a huge backlog on sources on nowiki, and adding a lot of additional manual work will not go very well with the community.
What is the plan, can Lydia or some else please clarify?
On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 11:43 PM, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com wrote:
Page 21, moving to manual import of statements. I would really like to see the analysis written out that ends in this conclusion. It is very tempting, but the idea don't scale.
We have now about 5-10 000 articles per active user. Those users have a huge backlog of missing references. If they shall manage statements in addition to their current backlog, then they will simply be overwhelmed.
On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Lydia Pintscher < Lydia.Pintscher@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hey folks :)
Charlie has been working on concepts for making it possible to edit Wikidata from Wikipedia and other wikis. This was her bachelor thesis. She has now published it: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Facilitating_the_use_of_Wikidata_in_... I am very happy she put a lot of thought and work into figuring out all the complexities of the topic and how to make this understandable for editors. We still have more work to do on the concepts and then actually have to implement it. Comments welcome.
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