The paper focuses, yet again on Visual Editor. And while I understand that
many editors prefer this, any implementation must service both the Visual
Editor users as well as the Wiki Markup users.
Again, major concerns. I guess unless I have more off-Wiki conversations
about this topic, I will move my concerns to the proposal page.
I believe in Wikidata and want to encourage usage -- and am trying to use
it more -- but unless you are running queries it's quite frankly a flipping
nightmare. I love the idea. Usability, not so much. And I know it is
improved and there are many smart people I admire involved in this project.
But the lack of buy-in by Wikipedia editors is happening for a reason.
Best,
- Erika
*Erika Herzog*
Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle>*
On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Brill Lyle <wp.brilllyle(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for the link to the paper. I will read this
as soon as possible.
Yes. UI is what I care about. Unless it is a floating popup box like for
the Reftoolbar Cites in Wiki Markup I am going to have grave concerns. It
has to be implemented equally well on both Visual Editor and Wiki Markup
interfaces. So well done the casual editor doesn't need to understand the
Wikidata backbone underpinning the info.
I actually think the grant does not go FAR enough. It needs UI / Wikipedia
end-user integration built into the process from the beginning. A
programming project that is modest and depreciates Infoboxes without the
primary focus on existing end-users is not good enough.
AND: Funding this grant, does it mean automatic endorsement and
implementation on Wiki? I would be very concerned if this was the case.
Erika
On Aug 3, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Lucie Kaffee <lucie.kaffee(a)wikimedia.de>
wrote:
Charlie wrote her thesis on how you could integrate Wikidata in Wikipedia,
specifically on Infoboxes, so that might be worth a look when it comes to
this topic, too.
So there is research from the UX perspective and how it'd be able to edit
etc available.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Facilitating_the_use_of_Wikidata_in…
On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Yuri Astrakhan <yastrakhan(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Erika, would building a better wikidata UI help
alleviate your concern?
For example, it used to be that to add a link to the same article in
another language, one had to edit raw wiki markup and add a weird language
link. Now with wikidata it is by far more intuitive, with an edit button
right next to the list, with an auto-complete and language selector. Could
we try to build something similar for the infoboxes?
On Aug 3, 2016 2:31 PM, "Brill Lyle" <wp.brilllyle(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Saw this posted on Twitter.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Putnik/Wikidata_module
This proposal is my greatest fear with Wikidata. Depreciate Infoboxes to
Wikidata so casual Wikipedia editors can't edit on Wiki, are forced to use
Wikidata (comparable to existing Authority Control depreciation). Huge
barrier for Wikipedia end-users.
Before I voice my concerns on this Grant page, I wondered if the
end-user issue has been discussed here -- and if this could be explained
why it is such a good idea? And what user issues have been and could be
addressed before the project is implemented.
I understand something like this is part of Russian Wikipedia. How did
that community respond to this what I see as significant change?
- Erika
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