On 08.05.2015 11:30, Thomas Douillard wrote:
I don't get this, is this really a technical issue or just an interface one ? It can be pretty clear to users that the semantic entity pages are very different from lexical entities in the same instance just by tweaking the UI. Or with separate instances this can be confusing as well if not well done.
Is this a community issue ? Different project, different communities, different site ? I really don't like it as it tends to make several groups who can have difficulties to talk to each other and go on the other site. I think as Wikidata community is already constituted and tends to try to grow and advocate for the project, considering its central situation in the ecosystem and that community tends to learn how to make interproject social links, it would be beneficial imho to continue to grow and to learn from here. There is strong connections between words and senses.
I think in that global scheme, one or several instance is a mostly technical detail that is not really important and that both solutions can accommodate to distinct (or not) pages or distinct (or not) communities.
That's what I was thinking as well. As far as I see, whether it's one site or two sites would not make much difference for users, other than that the domain part of the URL would change and the menu/logo on the left would be different. But the accounts would be the same, the individual page contents would look the same, and the cross-links between dictionary content and data content would also be the same. Things would probably work fine either way.
Regards,
Markus
2015-05-08 11:15 GMT+02:00 Bene* <benestar.wikimedia@gmail.com mailto:benestar.wikimedia@gmail.com>:
Hi I do not think a separate Wikibase instance would be needed to provide the data for Wiktionary. I think this can and should be done on Wikidata. But as said by Milos and pointed out by Gerard, lexical knowledge does indeed require a different data schema. This is why the proposal introduces new entity types for lexemes, forms, and senses. The data model is mostly based on lexical ontologies that we surveyed, like LEMON and others. I think a separate Wikibase installation would be much better than adding lexical knowledge on Wikidata. Wikidata is about things in the first place and Wiktionary is about words etc. So having a Wikibase installation only for Wiktionary makes more sense in my opinion as that is the same plan we currently have for Commons/Wikiquote etc. It would still be connected to Wikidata in ways like accepting items from Wikidata as values in statements and having access to their data. However, we should separate lexical knowledge and Wikidata also wiki-wise. Best regards, Bene _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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