Hoi,
When the point is to express how an official name is to be pronounced,
IPA is in order not a text in another script.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 1 May 2015 at 11:04, Bene* <benestar.wikimedia(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
this is what the monolingual text datatype is for. The labels however
are multilingual and should provide users in all languages an idea how the
name is said.
Best regards
Bene
Am 01.05.2015 um 07:14 schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
Hoi,
It is still a bad idea. An official name exists only in one language.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 30 April 2015 at 18:50, Thomas Douillard <thomas.douillard(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
> I meant "add automatically the transliteration", not replace the
> name.
>
> This is a good candidate : we know for sure the source and the target
> language (the one of the user) so a good choice for transliteration method
> is always possible, and we don't pretend it should be the way to say orally
> the name in the target language. It's just a transliteration of the
> official name.
>
>
>
> 2015-04-30 15:14 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
> :
>
>> Hoi,
>> It does not quality anything. It is plain wrong.
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>>
>> On 30 April 2015 at 15:06, Joe Filceolaire <filceolaire(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Exactly. The "official name " property always has the name in the
>>> original script. But we can and should have the transliteration in a
>>> qualifier.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>> On 30 Apr 2015 06:13, "Gerard Meijssen"
<gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hoi,
>>>> We transliterate every name from one script to the other.
>>>> Transliteration the official name is exactly the one you should not
>>>> transliterate.. What is left after transliteration is not official.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> GerardM
>>>>
>>>> On 29 April 2015 at 18:54, Thomas Douillard <
>>>> thomas.douillard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's always possible to transliterate the official name
>>>>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1448>property. Of
course
>>>>> this should be done by a gadget, or we may have to find a special
treatment
>>>>> for the ''name'' properties.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2015-04-28 23:06 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire
<filceolaire(a)gmail.com>
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree up to a point. Transliteration is not appropriate for
>>>>>> labels for all items. There are however a few categories of
items for
>>>>>> which transliterated labels are appropriate. For example :
>>>>>> * English labels for villages and towns
>>>>>> * English labels for people
>>>>>> *English labels for bands and albums
>>>>>> I'm sure there are others that could use this too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>> On 27 Apr 2015 18:09, "Leon Liesener" <
>>>>>> leon.liesener(a)wikipedia.de> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem with ISO is that it's a standard for
>>>>>>> language-independent
>>>>>>> transliteration to Latin script. Since labels on Wikidata
are
>>>>>>> language-dependent, making use of ISO does not make sense
>>>>>>> really. If
>>>>>>> you use ISO for Russian names in Cyrillic script, the label
you
>>>>>>> get is
>>>>>>> not in English. It's still in Russian but transliterated
to Latin
>>>>>>> script. ISO thus would only fit as an alias for the Russian
>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>> language, if at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2015-04-26 22:39 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <
>>>>>>> gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>gt;:
>>>>>>> > Hoi,
>>>>>>> > <grin> ISO is a reliable source; it is THE
standard </grin>
>>>>>>> Wikipedia is
>>>>>>> > definitely not a standard by its own admission.
>>>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>>>> > GerardM
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On 26 April 2015 at 22:37, Yaroslav M. Blanter <
>>>>>>> putevod(a)mccme.ru> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On 2015-04-26 22:33, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Hoi
>>>>>>> >>> My point is that it is not a given that we
should follow any
>>>>>>> WIkipedia
>>>>>>> >>> for anything. Also the point of romanisation of
Russian is
>>>>>>> not for the
>>>>>>> >>> benefit of Russian speakers, it is for the
speakers of
>>>>>>> English.
>>>>>>> >>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> >>> GerardM
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On one hand, yes.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On the other hand, no reliable source uses ISO. When
NYT
>>>>>>> writes about a
>>>>>>> >> Russian person, they do not use ISO, they use what
the
>>>>>>> English Wikipedia
>>>>>>> >> uses or smth similar. In my passport, they do not
use ISO
>>>>>>> (fortunately), why
>>>>>>> >> should then ISO be used on Wikidata in an entry
about me?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Cheers
>>>>>>> >> Yaroslav
>>>>>>> >>
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