Once IPA is there it may be easier to provide Text-to-speech automatically.
2015-05-02 16:57 GMT+02:00 Thomas Douillard thomas.douillard@gmail.com:
I'll all with you, on this, unfortunately only a few people reads IPA currently :(. I don't, for example.
2015-05-02 15:19 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, When the point is to express how an official name is to be pronounced, IPA is in order not a text in another script. Thanks, GerardM
On 1 May 2015 at 11:04, Bene* benestar.wikimedia@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
this is what the monolingual text datatype is for. The labels however are multilingual and should provide users in all languages an idea how the name is said.
Best regards Bene
Am 01.05.2015 um 07:14 schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
Hoi, It is still a bad idea. An official name exists only in one language. Thanks, GerardM
On 30 April 2015 at 18:50, Thomas Douillard thomas.douillard@gmail.com wrote:
I meant "add automatically the transliteration", not replace the name.
This is a good candidate : we know for sure the source and the target language (the one of the user) so a good choice for transliteration method is always possible, and we don't pretend it should be the way to say orally the name in the target language. It's just a transliteration of the official name.
2015-04-30 15:14 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, It does not quality anything. It is plain wrong. Thanks, GerardM
On 30 April 2015 at 15:06, Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly. The "official name " property always has the name in the original script. But we can and should have the transliteration in a qualifier.
Joe On 30 Apr 2015 06:13, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
> Hoi, > We transliterate every name from one script to the other. > Transliteration the official name is exactly the one you should not > transliterate.. What is left after transliteration is not official. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 29 April 2015 at 18:54, Thomas Douillard < > thomas.douillard@gmail.com> wrote: > >> It's always possible to transliterate the official name >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1448property. Of course >> this should be done by a gadget, or we may have to find a special treatment >> for the ''name'' properties. >> >> 2015-04-28 23:06 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com: >> >>> I agree up to a point. Transliteration is not appropriate for >>> labels for all items. There are however a few categories of items for >>> which transliterated labels are appropriate. For example : >>> * English labels for villages and towns >>> * English labels for people >>> *English labels for bands and albums >>> I'm sure there are others that could use this too. >>> >>> Joe >>> On 27 Apr 2015 18:09, "Leon Liesener" < >>> leon.liesener@wikipedia.de> wrote: >>> >>>> The problem with ISO is that it's a standard for >>>> language-independent >>>> transliteration to Latin script. Since labels on Wikidata are >>>> language-dependent, making use of ISO does not make sense really. >>>> If >>>> you use ISO for Russian names in Cyrillic script, the label you >>>> get is >>>> not in English. It's still in Russian but transliterated to Latin >>>> script. ISO thus would only fit as an alias for the Russian >>>> interface >>>> language, if at all. >>>> >>>> 2015-04-26 22:39 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen < >>>> gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>: >>>> > Hoi, >>>> > <grin> ISO is a reliable source; it is THE standard </grin> >>>> Wikipedia is >>>> > definitely not a standard by its own admission. >>>> > Thanks, >>>> > GerardM >>>> > >>>> > On 26 April 2015 at 22:37, Yaroslav M. Blanter < >>>> putevod@mccme.ru> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> On 2015-04-26 22:33, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Hoi >>>> >>> My point is that it is not a given that we should follow any >>>> WIkipedia >>>> >>> for anything. Also the point of romanisation of Russian is >>>> not for the >>>> >>> benefit of Russian speakers, it is for the speakers of >>>> English. >>>> >>> Thanks, >>>> >>> GerardM >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> On one hand, yes. >>>> >> >>>> >> On the other hand, no reliable source uses ISO. When NYT >>>> writes about a >>>> >> Russian person, they do not use ISO, they use what the English >>>> Wikipedia >>>> >> uses or smth similar. In my passport, they do not use ISO >>>> (fortunately), why >>>> >> should then ISO be used on Wikidata in an entry about me? >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Cheers >>>> >> Yaroslav >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>> >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Wikidata-l mailing list >>>> > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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