Sebastian,
Thanks very much for the explanation. It was a single missing word, "ontology," which led me astray. If the opening sentence had said "based on the DBpedia ontology," I probably would have figured it out. Your amplification of the underlying motivation helps me better understand what's driving this though.
I guess I had naively abandoned critical thinking and assumed DBpedia was dead now that we had WikiData without thinking about how the two could evolve / compete / cooperate / thrive.
Good luck!
Best regards, Tom
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Sebastian Hellmann < hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> wrote:
Your description sounds quite close to what we had in mind. The high level group is manifesting quite well, the domain groups are planned as pilots for selected domains (e.g. Law or Mobility).
I lost a bit the overview on the data classification. We might auto-link or crowdsource. I would need to ask others, however.
We are aiming to create a structure that allows stability and innovation in an economic way - - I see this as the real challenge...
Jolly good show, Sebastian
On 11 March 2015 20:53:55 CET, John Flynn jflynn12@verizon.net wrote:
This is a very ambitious, but commendable, goal. To map all data on the web to the DBpedia ontology is a huge undertaking that will take many years of effort. However, if it can be accomplished the potential payoff is also huge and could result in the realization of a true Semantic Web. Just as with any very large and complex software development effort, there needs to be a structured approach to achieving the desired results. That structured approach probably involves a clear requirements analysis and resulting requirements documentation. It also requires a design document and an implementation document, as well as risk assessment and risk mitigation. While there is no bigger believer in the "build a little, test a little" rapid prototyping approach to development, I don't think that is appropriate for a project of this size and complexity. Also, the size and complexity also suggest the final product will likely be beyond the scope of any individual to fully comprehend the overall ontological structure. Therefore, a reasonable approach might be to break the effort into smaller, comprehensible segments. Since this is a large ontology development effort, segmenting the ontology into domains of interest and creating working groups to focus on each domain might be a workable approach. There would also need to be a working group that focus on the top levels of the ontology and monitors the domain working groups to ensure overall compatibility and reduce the likelihood of duplicate or overlapping concepts in the upper levels of the ontology and treats universal concepts such as space and time consistently. There also needs to be a clear, and hopefully simple, approach to mapping data on the web to the DBpedia ontology that will accommodate both large data developers and web site developers. It would be wonderful to see the worldwide web community get behind such an initiative and make rapid progress in realizing this commendable goal. However, just as special interests defeated the goal of having a universal software development approach (Ada), I fear the same sorts of special interests will likely result in a continuation of the current myriad development efforts. I understand the "one size doesn't fit all" arguments, but I also think "one size could fit a whole lot" could be the case here.
Respectfully,
John Flynn
http://semanticsimulations.com
*From:* Sebastian Hellmann [mailto:hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2015 3:12 AM *To:* Tom Morris; Dimitris Kontokostas *Cc:* Wikidata Discussion List; dbpedia-ontology; dbpedia-discussion@lists.sourceforge.net; DBpedia-Developers *Subject:* Re: [Dbpedia-discussion] [Dbpedia-developers] DBpedia-based RDF dumps for Wikidata
Dear Tom,
let me try to answer this question in a more general way. In the future, we honestly consider to map all data on the web to the DBpedia ontology (extending it where it makes sense). We hope that this will enable you to query many data sets on the Web using the same queries.
As a convenience measure, we will get a huge download server that provides all data from a single point in consistent formats and consistent metadata, classified by the DBpedia Ontology. Wikidata is just one example, there is also commons, Wiktionary (hopefully via DBnary), data from companies, DBpedia members and EU projects.
all the best, Sebastian
On 11.03.2015 06:11, Tom Morris wrote:
Dimitris, Soren, and DBpedia team,
That sounds like an interesting project, but I got lost between the statement of intent, below, and the practical consequences:
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Dimitris Kontokostas < kontokostas@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> wrote:
we made some different design choices and map wikidata data directly into the DBpedia ontology.
What, from your point of view, is the practical consequence of these different design choices? How do the end results manifest themselves to the consumers?
Tom
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