On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Moriel Schottlender moriel@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 3:21 PM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not a member of the Lynux community, though I'm a very grateful user of their software. But I don't read that blogpost as saying that "She didn't try to change Linus Torvalds. She left".
I read her words, and especially "I’m posting this because I feel sad every time someone thanks me for standing up for better community norms, because I have essentially given up trying to change the Linux kernel community. Cultural change is a slow, painful process, and I no longer have the mental energy to be an active part of that cultural change in the kernel."
Those are the words of someone who has tried and tried again before deciding to leave.
Yes.
She didn't try to change Linus, she tried to change the community. There's a difference. A person can be whoever they want to be, but in the context of the community, there could be basic rules of thumb that guides what the community feels should be basic decency.
moriel, i do not agree to the abstraction you introduce here. a community consists of persons afaik. it is a person which feels, not a community. if there is a rule for the community its purpose is to apply to a person part of the community. sarah sharp tried to make a rule "do not curse or go away". as linus torvalds curses from time to time it is not rocket science to understand that rule as: (1) linus please change and do not curse, or (2) linus please leave the community if you cannot stop cursing.
On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 12:44 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com wrote:
to let wikipedia NPOV also have a word, here what linus torvalds thought about it two years ago: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=137392506516022&w=2 in a summary, torvalds argues that sarah sharp should accept that people are different and act different, she should not try to change linus torvalds.
On Oct 7, 2015 6:44 AM, "Jason Radford" jsradford@uchicago.edu wrote:
I think folks here will understand this story.