Hi Emily,
I appreciate your good intentions and your desire to point out the ways in which many different kinds people are harmed and oppressed. Just so you know, when you do it in the context of people talking about ways that women are specifically harmed and oppressed in the context of Wikimedia projects, it comes across as derailing:
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Derailment
That is, as a result of comments like these, we end up having a discussion about something other than women's participation in Wikimedia projects. When this happens frequently, people end up feeling discouraged from bringing up topics like "There is a lot of misogyny in these comments, is there anything we can do about it?" because they know they are likely to get a response of, "Men/people of color/other oppressed groups have this happen to them too." I know it is not your intention to shut down discussion about women in Wikimedia projects, but that's often the effect of comments like these.
-VAL
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Emily Monroe emilymonroe03@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, I think that's true for all minorities--I know the comment section in the online edition of one of my local newspapers can turn pretty ugly if an article is written about a black guy getting arrested. That's less likely to happen if the suspect is white.
From, Emily
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Valerie Aurora valerie@adainitiative.org wrote:
Abusive comments are a gender thing. Stories about or by women are more likely to get abusive comments, in public and private, based solely on the gender of the subject or the author.
-VAL
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Emily Monroe emilymonroe03@gmail.com wrote:
I doubt that the comments issue is even a gender thing. Comment sections are pretty non-discriminatory in regards to starting up drama.
From, Emily
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Never read the comments. Never .
On Jul 8, 2014 6:50 PM, "Keilana" keilanawiki@gmail.com wrote:
If only, Tom. I would be shocked if that ever got removed.
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Tom Morris tom@tommorris.org wrote:
That’s really cool.
(Just don’t read the comments. Awful misogyny contained therein. Is there any way we can get that crap removed?)
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