On 8/12/2014 1:39 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
Cynicism can be a powerful tool. And you aren't the first person to tell a shitstarter like me that ;-)
OK, in that vein, first, are we talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help/clickthrough
I hate chatting myself so already have a bad attitude. I guess those with a similar attitude will avoid that option. Experienced people may be able to figure out how it works and if they have a regular IRC account or they're using the wikipedia account to get in there. But I'm sure a lot of people will be confused.
But my "Shitstarter" comments are:
*If women are having harassment and other issues are they at least being made aware of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias... (or if more relevant https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap) and even sent there for help, even before ANI.
Obviously, not, because right now males are still disrupting it. Just as they are disrupting editing at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_bias_on_Wikipedia
A lot of women did show up and were quite outspoken at the Jimmy Wales talk page, but we can't just rely on him to solve our problems.
At both the "Gender Gap Task force" and "Gender bias on Wikipedia" article they've been picking on the more outspoken and active women, casting aspersions based on little or nothing but their own prejudice. If women are watching, they are saying little or nothing. And several editors have joined, evidently taken a quick look at the talk page, and unjoined.
I personally don't want to make this my main project and wouldn't be able to anyway because a couple of these guys already have harassed me so much I lost my temper leading to a topic ban in another area. And those two and some new ones with strong men's rights POVs (if not editing histories) are trying to do it again. So I can't predict how long I'll last.
But the whole bloody mess is all there in Gender Gap Task Force history, so expect the New York Times article "How (pick your adjective) males destroyed the Wikipedia Gender Gap Task Force" if more women don't "women up" and get involved. I keep hoping that those of us who are active are not seen as too "assertive" and too scary by other women.
Frustrated... CM