On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Fred Bauder <fredbaud(a)fairpoint.net> wrote:
And, perhaps more importantly, I took the issue
seriously and supported
the creation of this list. Talking to each other is a good way to
identify and resolve issues.
Fred,
You may think you took it seriously but it does not appear to be, as a
female, that you did. I've seen you dominate the conversation. I've seen
you make jokes about gendered language. I've seen you focus not on
helping real concerns about women on the list but rather, focusing on your
own concerns.
Is the point of this list: Men teaching women who already use Wikipedia how
to use it better and making men feel better about the low participation
rates of women? Or is the purpose about providing a platform where women
have to be quiet about men saying problematic things because men might be
offended?
The whole conversation about male involvement AS IT PERTAINS TO WOMEN'S
NEEDS is being dominated by men WHO ARE CLAIMING THAT WOMEN ARE
DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THEM.
As a man, do you think that the body of your posts to this list would
undergo scrutiny by women who already have issues with WMF and women? If
the answer is yes, then you have a lot to learn and perhaps a list dedicated
to helping improve women's participation rates on Wikipedia isn't the best
place to teach you. (Because this would get in the way of the group's
mission.)
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