I don't think there's a sliding scale of educational value from softcore to hardcore. I expect to find pictures of pinups on "Pinups". I expect to find relevant drawings on "Fellatio". I expect to find disgusting pictures on "Spider".
Does the multiplication of sexual images need to be dealt with in a different manner than the multiplication of personal snapshots? I could see proposing a new image speedy deletion criterion for unused graphic images, but the potential for such a criterion to be abused seems too great. (I apologize for my en.wikipedia centric commentary, but I have no standing to comment on other projects.)
Graphic material of any sort does not belong on the main page. Fellatio, temple garments, and adipocere are all things that one ought to go looking for to see. Our educational mission does not extend to making people spit out their morning coffee when they open up their browser to the home page: Wikipedia's Main Page.
Nepenthe
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Fred Bauder fredbaud@fairpoint.net wrote:
There are two questions:
Reactions of women (from nun to sex worker)
Whether the image in question has educational value in the context it is used. (sliding scale here from pairing of pinups with autos to hard core pornography)
Multiplication of sexually oriented images or material beyond informational requirements is yet another issue.
Fred
On 2/14/11 4:59 PM, Sue Gardner wrote:
So the question is: female editors, have you come across explicit material on the Wikimedia projects that you find offensive, degrading or discouraging?
I think this discussion is missing an important point—the context of the explicit material. While most people are not surprised or offended to find explicit images in articles about BDSM or pornography, I've seen plenty of women (and men) upset about explicit material being featured on the Main Page of various projects. A few examples include:
Women objecting to porn on the Main page of Commons in 2009:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Picture_of_the_day/Archive_1#...
Female admins objecting to the following DYK hook (with picture) appearing on the Main Page of English Wikipedia: "Did you know... that after [[Melina Perez|Melina]] ''(pictured)'' stripped [[Torrie Wilson]] to win a bra & panties match at '''[[The Great American Bash (2005)]]''', referee [[Candice Michelle]] stripped Melina and herself as well?
Various people (including Jimmy) objecting to the vulva photo on the Main Page of the German Wikipedia: (Don't have a link, but I imagine it's easy to dig up if you speak German.)
I think if there is an issue to pursue, it is the use of explicit material in non-explicit contexts (which unsurprisingly seems to always involve female nudity rather than male nudity).
Ryan Kaldari
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