So you think the problem with the participation of women is that a lot of our readers are bible-thumpers, and by getting lots of women (specifically * Catholic* women) involved, we'll destroy the misogynistic parts of faith? Ignoring that as it happens, raw belief is in our nature, and that the vast majority of Americans, bible-thumper or no are *not* Catholic, you seem to be misunderstanding our community somewhat. You know Conservapedia exists because apparently we're all gay atheist Jews, right? :p Trust me, Misogyny from leftover religious teachings is not going to be a big problem for a large chunk of us. Most of us are atheists, agnostics, or the harmless kind of religious person.
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Miguelinito miguelinito@gmail.com wrote:
What I wanted point out is that one of the causes of the gender gap, specifically in the United States, is that there is a lot of people who read the Bible. The Bible is, obviously, sexist, and in fact makes women in general be submissive. While ideas are separated, they survive unless they are wrong (that's why Conservapedia was born). What I propose is to promote catholic women participation, so they can share their ideas too. Once all ideas are together (catholic and scientific), the thruth goes without saying, as believing is not in our human nature, but reasoning. That's my opinion.
P.S: I don't drop my jaw about the gender gap in the US when I see that women automatically get their surname *replaced* by the married name.
Sorry for not being expressive enough.
Miguel Ángel
Um, this thread seems rather off-topic of our specific purpose here...
Thanks, Pharos
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
I don't, as a rule, top post. But in this case, since it is a response
to
both of these messages, it seemed appropriate,
There was a time, many, many, many years ago; before there was any
defined
structured social or political group; there was a female, a male, and
their
offspring. And the female was, in fact, the center of this grouping. She gave life, kept the "home" and nurtured the offspring on a daily basis. While the male, on the other hand was gone most of the time hunting and gathering. As these individual "family groups" began gathering into
tribes,
then groups of tribes into villages etc., etc. to today, these groups
soon
required some sort of "leadership". That was when the man said to the
woman,
"You stay at home, honey, and tend to the hearth, and I'll tend to the business outside, as I have always done". That was when the most
insidious
transfer of importance and power in the history of humankind took place. Pity. Men began making and enforcing the rules, starting and fighting
the
wars, writing the books deciding, and defining, what deities we must worship, and generally making a worldwide nuisance of himself.
Progress?
Marc Riddell
on 2/12/11 5:47 AM, Oliver Keyes at scire.facias@gmail.com wrote:
I'm going to go with "because it's a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a [positively recurse 50 times] of a translation of a book written by humans, who are fallible, specifically
male
humans, in a period where gender equality was occasionally allowing your wife to talk, oh, and there's absolutely no evidence the subject of said book existed in the first place".
Satan crops up twice in the bible. In the mean time, Jezebel, Delilah,
Eve
and almost every other female character who isn't meek and mild as milk
is
depicted as being single-handedly responsible for the fall of humanity,
the
betrayal of Sampson, David's inability to keep his man-parts in his underwear, and everything else that goes wrong with the world. It's no surprise equality has taken so long to even appear on the horizon when people are treating guff like this as an infallible or immutable
document.
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Miguelinito miguelinito@gmail.com
wrote:
Abraham and Sarah were already very old, and Sarah was past the age of childbearing. So Sarah laughed to herself as she thought, ³After I am
worn
out and my lord is old, will I now have this pleasure?²
Then the LORD said to Abraham, ³Why did Sarah laugh and say, ŒWill I
really
have a child, now that I am old?¹ Is anything too hard for the LORD? I
will
return to you at the appointed time next year, and Sarah will have a
son.²
Sarah was afraid, so she lied and said, ³I did not laugh.²
But he said, ³Yes, you did laugh.²
There's a couple of questions here:
Why Almighty God chose to be a man?
Why did Almighty God get angry with the laughter of a simple female
mortal? Would he have gotten angry if she, just for *ignorance*,
wouldn't
have even made herself that question?
For all of you who read the Bible, this could be a nice topic for reflection. :)
Regards
Miguel Ángel
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