I like that you brought up the age difference, I do think that is valid in many areas. As a 30 year old who knows more about Hentai film than I care to admit I think for me it's more of a professionalism and "quality" thing over offensive. I just think it's stupid and lends itself to the invalid-ness that Wikipedia is trying to shake off.
Other wiki's like Encyclopedia Dramatica thrive on cartoons and obnoxious tacky stuff (yeah ok, Pedobear is funny, but...) to represent it. I don't need my scholarly labor and research to be associated with that crap.
On 2/3/2011 4:57 PM, Nepenthe wrote:
I wonder if Wikipe-tan is more of a generational issue than a gender one. I'm pretty much as humorless feminist as they come, but being in my early 20s, I grew up with anime and Wikipe-tan is no more disturbing to me in the Wikipedia context than if we had come up with a Disney-style mascot not wearing pants. (Granted, that OS-tans are pretty universally female is undoubtedly a gender issue and the anime style is a legitimate concern as well, but I think it's part of culture at large, not one that Wikimedia can really address.)
I guess my point is that it might be a wash whether Wikipe-tan drives off more older editors who find her offensive than she attracts younger editors who find her friendly and familiar. It's really a side point though. It never occurred to me that Wikipe-tan might be considered embarrassing or inappropriate and I'm finding this conversation eye-opening.
Nepenthe
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Steven Walling <swalling@wikimedia.org mailto:swalling@wikimedia.org> wrote:
On Feb 3, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case wrote:On Wednesday, February 02, 2011, jidanni@jidanni.org <mailto:jidanni@jidanni.org> wrote:K> our "mascot"? An overtly sexualized, large-breasted woman who people K> regularly draw in bikinis and maid costumes? I mean, I know K> Wikipe-tan is not actually The Problem. But she's the most egregious K> example I think we have of the sort of unconscious "boyzone" culture Ah, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan .I had never seen that, and now that I have I find it embarrassing for Wikipedia.IIRC Wikipe-tan was only originally meant to be the mascot for WikiProject Anime and Manga; how she became the avatar for the project as a whole, I don't know. She's hardly an inclusive or representative figure (I'm not a anime/manga otaku, aside from the other issues) and we can certainly do better. My own personal notes on signs of a "boyzone" culture at Wikipedia: the appearance of [[Lindsay Lohan]], [[Reese Witherspoon]] and [[Uma Thurman]] as Main Page FAs within a two-year timespan. And also the one FA that Raul quite sensibly (IMO) has decided will never be on the Main Page. In the same category, there's also the discussion from the top of [[Talk:KaDee Strickland]] downwards, that ensued after that article was on the Main Page. It's hard for me not to see some of it as misogynistic ... Daniel Case _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergapThe whole Wikipe-tan issue isn't limited to Wikipedia itself either. I participate regularly in the Featured Picture process on Wikimedia Commons, and have lately been struggling against media in a similar vein.[1] There is a substantial editorial debate around fan art like this that is in flux on Commons. On the one hand, it's relatively easy to make the argument that they're not educational media. However, you still get people who in all seriousness support promotion of media like this with comments such as, "I like her big tits." (That's one extreme example, but it's still a direct quote.) Additional voices would be welcome, especially since Commons is a much smaller community. I think perhaps one of our first commitments should be to filling the informal leadership gap others have mentioned by stepping up and saying what we find to be unacceptable.[2] 1. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Anime_Girl.svg 2. This talk was humorous, but I think there's some truth in the slide: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Steven_Walling_Wikipedia_mascots_-_Ignite_Portland_8_-_Portland_Oregon.jpg Steven Walling Fellow at the Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org <http://wikimediafoundation.org/> _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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