I have just registered (yay for registration opening!) but I note on the registration form:
"Dietary preference. Please note, we cannot accommodate Halal or Kosher."
Does this really mean what it says? Presumably people who want halal or kosher food can safely select the vegetarian option?
Chris
Hi Chris,
My understanding is that there are issues of supply and cost for specifically Kosher or Halal meals. This was the case for Wikimania in London too where we were looking at >£50 a head for Kosher (if I remember correctly).
S
On 5 May 2015 at 13:38, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
I have just registered (yay for registration opening!) but I note on the registration form:
"Dietary preference. Please note, we cannot accommodate Halal or Kosher."
Does this really mean what it says? Presumably people who want halal or kosher food can safely select the vegetarian option?
Chris
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It would be good if possible to make sure even if they are not "specifically" Kosher of Halal, that vegetarian meals fulfill the broad requirements, which will be good enough for many people. For example, it would be good if the vegetarian meals didn't include alcohol in their ingredients (or had an option not to include alcohol).
Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos)
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Stuart Prior stuart.prior@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi Chris,
My understanding is that there are issues of supply and cost for specifically Kosher or Halal meals. This was the case for Wikimania in London too where we were looking at
£50 a head for Kosher (if I remember correctly).
S
On 5 May 2015 at 13:38, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
I have just registered (yay for registration opening!) but I note on the registration form:
"Dietary preference. Please note, we cannot accommodate Halal or Kosher."
Does this really mean what it says? Presumably people who want halal or kosher food can safely select the vegetarian option?
Chris
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We will try our best. And as Stuart says we don’t have access to reasonably priced kosher or halal service for those.
On May 5, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Pharos pharosofalexandria@gmail.com wrote:
It would be good if possible to make sure even if they are not "specifically" Kosher of Halal, that vegetarian meals fulfill the broad requirements, which will be good enough for many people. For example, it would be good if the vegetarian meals didn't include alcohol in their ingredients (or had an option not to include alcohol).
Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos)
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Stuart Prior <stuart.prior@wikimedia.org.uk mailto:stuart.prior@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: Hi Chris,
My understanding is that there are issues of supply and cost for specifically Kosher or Halal meals. This was the case for Wikimania in London too where we were looking at >£50 a head for Kosher (if I remember correctly).
S
On 5 May 2015 at 13:38, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com mailto:chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com> wrote: I have just registered (yay for registration opening!) but I note on the registration form:
"Dietary preference. Please note, we cannot accommodate Halal or Kosher."
Does this really mean what it says? Presumably people who want halal or kosher food can safely select the vegetarian option?
Chris
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On 05/05/15 23:22, Ellie Young wrote:
We will try our best. And as Stuart says we don’t have access to reasonably priced kosher or halal service for those.
I find that an odd statement, where from my perspective halal is the norm. I live in the East End of London, less than 10 km from Wikimania in Barbican in 2014. Tesco (at Bromley by Bow) has opened a meat counter in recent years that is 100% halal. All the "chicken shops" in area halal, and I believe that local butchers are exclusively halal. My knowledge ends there, since I am a vegetarian.
It will be different in other part of London, and other parts of the World...
When in Rome?
Gordo
I happen to live in a neighborhood of Brooklyn with both extensive Kosher and Halal options (which is probably not a coincidence, since there is significant overlap in rules). But Mexico City has a different cultural mix than New York City or London.
I can understand, though, that it may be too expensive and difficult to get Kosher or Halal meat, or indeed fully catered meals, for Wikimania in Mexico City.
Bur I would suggest going to a supermarket and getting something like a pre-packaged hummus with K and H marks, and some plain fruits and vegetables, so folks like this can at least have snack options during the conference sessions, and that can tide them over if they want to go out for a full meal fulfilling their dietary preferences later.
Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos)
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 05/05/15 23:22, Ellie Young wrote:
We will try our best. And as Stuart says we don’t have access to reasonably priced kosher or halal service for those.
I find that an odd statement, where from my perspective halal is the norm. I live in the East End of London, less than 10 km from Wikimania in Barbican in 2014. Tesco (at Bromley by Bow) has opened a meat counter in recent years that is 100% halal. All the "chicken shops" in area halal, and I believe that local butchers are exclusively halal. My knowledge ends there, since I am a vegetarian.
It will be different in other part of London, and other parts of the World...
When in Rome?
Gordo
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It's even a bit more complex than just sourcing a particular type of food. You also have to make sure that it all arrives at the same time as the rest of the catering, and that it is allocated to exactly the right people.
I can imagine the disappointment of those at finding out that there are no arrangements to provide Halal/Kosher food, but I think it would be somewhat worse if promises were made that for whatever reason couldn't be kept, because someone accidentally ate someone's Kosher meal, specific meals did not meet expected standards or delivery was delayed. All entirely possible when you're catering for >1000 people.
As people have mentioned, it's contextual. So while sourcing Halal food in Islamabad and Kosher food in Tel Aviv would be easy and cheap, sourcing either in Mexico City is somewhat harder to do.
I am sure that the local bid team will do their best to provide information about where attendees can get hold of particular types of food.
Best
Stuart (User:Battleofalma)
On 12 May 2015 at 14:05, Pharos pharosofalexandria@gmail.com wrote:
I happen to live in a neighborhood of Brooklyn with both extensive Kosher and Halal options (which is probably not a coincidence, since there is significant overlap in rules). But Mexico City has a different cultural mix than New York City or London.
I can understand, though, that it may be too expensive and difficult to get Kosher or Halal meat, or indeed fully catered meals, for Wikimania in Mexico City.
Bur I would suggest going to a supermarket and getting something like a pre-packaged hummus with K and H marks, and some plain fruits and vegetables, so folks like this can at least have snack options during the conference sessions, and that can tide them over if they want to go out for a full meal fulfilling their dietary preferences later.
Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos)
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 05/05/15 23:22, Ellie Young wrote:
We will try our best. And as Stuart says we don’t have access to reasonably priced kosher or halal service for those.
I find that an odd statement, where from my perspective halal is the norm. I live in the East End of London, less than 10 km from Wikimania in Barbican in 2014. Tesco (at Bromley by Bow) has opened a meat counter in recent years that is 100% halal. All the "chicken shops" in area halal, and I believe that local butchers are exclusively halal. My knowledge ends there, since I am a vegetarian.
It will be different in other part of London, and other parts of the World...
When in Rome?
Gordo
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It looks like the best option is to go vegetarian. I think that it would be unfair to place such a burden on the Mexico Wikimania organisers when most travel guides are quite explicit about the difficuty of getting Halal certified food. Must be the same for Kosher food.
http://www.halaltrip.com/other/blog/halal-food-in-mexico-city-be-well-prepar...
Best regards Gabe
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Stuart Prior <stuart.prior@wikimedia.org.uk
wrote:
It's even a bit more complex than just sourcing a particular type of food. You also have to make sure that it all arrives at the same time as the rest of the catering, and that it is allocated to exactly the right people.
I can imagine the disappointment of those at finding out that there are no arrangements to provide Halal/Kosher food, but I think it would be somewhat worse if promises were made that for whatever reason couldn't be kept, because someone accidentally ate someone's Kosher meal, specific meals did not meet expected standards or delivery was delayed. All entirely possible when you're catering for >1000 people.
As people have mentioned, it's contextual. So while sourcing Halal food in Islamabad and Kosher food in Tel Aviv would be easy and cheap, sourcing either in Mexico City is somewhat harder to do.
I am sure that the local bid team will do their best to provide information about where attendees can get hold of particular types of food.
Best
Stuart (User:Battleofalma)
On 12 May 2015 at 14:05, Pharos pharosofalexandria@gmail.com wrote:
I happen to live in a neighborhood of Brooklyn with both extensive Kosher and Halal options (which is probably not a coincidence, since there is significant overlap in rules). But Mexico City has a different cultural mix than New York City or London.
I can understand, though, that it may be too expensive and difficult to get Kosher or Halal meat, or indeed fully catered meals, for Wikimania in Mexico City.
Bur I would suggest going to a supermarket and getting something like a pre-packaged hummus with K and H marks, and some plain fruits and vegetables, so folks like this can at least have snack options during the conference sessions, and that can tide them over if they want to go out for a full meal fulfilling their dietary preferences later.
Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos)
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 05/05/15 23:22, Ellie Young wrote:
We will try our best. And as Stuart says we don’t have access to reasonably priced kosher or halal service for those.
I find that an odd statement, where from my perspective halal is the norm. I live in the East End of London, less than 10 km from Wikimania in Barbican in 2014. Tesco (at Bromley by Bow) has opened a meat counter in recent years that is 100% halal. All the "chicken shops" in area halal, and I believe that local butchers are exclusively halal. My knowledge ends there, since I am a vegetarian.
It will be different in other part of London, and other parts of the World...
When in Rome?
Gordo
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