I think Wikimedia Canada not send any intimation to their Embassy of respective countries.
Jayanta Nath
My visa is also got rejected. So I am not coming to Canada this year. I think Canada is a bad place for Wikimania due to their strict rules. And thinking that is not a tourist friendly country.
On 23-Jun-2017 12:52 AM, "Jayanta Nath" jayantanth@gmail.com wrote:
I think Wikimedia Canada not send any intimation to their Embassy of respective countries.
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As per WMF directions, Wikimedia Canada was not involved in anything in relations to visas. The WMF is taking care of that themselves. They did not ask us to write anything to embassies.
I am sorry that Canada has strict rules on visa requirements for a lot of countries.
Jean-Philippe Béland Vice President, Wikimedia Canada User:Amqui
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Ranjith S ranjith.sajeev@gmail.com wrote:
My visa is also got rejected. So I am not coming to Canada this year. I think Canada is a bad place for Wikimania due to their strict rules. And thinking that is not a tourist friendly country.
On 23-Jun-2017 12:52 AM, "Jayanta Nath" jayantanth@gmail.com wrote:
I think Wikimedia Canada not send any intimation to their Embassy of respective countries.
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I believe this was not the best decision to make, I can understand handling recipients' financials and some other logistics through WMF. But clearly visas should have been handled by some entity in Canada. We ran into some problems in 2008 (limited number as Egypt is a touristic country in the first place), but the library of Alexandria was of a great help to issue letters of invitation. Sometimes it's not even up to the organizing committee. I was invited to Taiwan, 2007 and couldn't go due to the diplomatic ties complications. Overall, I don't mind having wikimanias in Canada and the US but I hope that the visa application process for attendees would be given high priority during bidding time.
Cheers, Mido
On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 17:20, Jean-Philippe Béland jpbeland@wikimedia.ca wrote:
As per WMF directions, Wikimedia Canada was not involved in anything in relations to visas. The WMF is taking care of that themselves. They did not ask us to write anything to embassies.
I am sorry that Canada has strict rules on visa requirements for a lot of countries.
Jean-Philippe Béland Vice President, Wikimedia Canada User:Amqui
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Ranjith S ranjith.sajeev@gmail.com wrote:
My visa is also got rejected. So I am not coming to Canada this year. I think Canada is a bad place for Wikimania due to their strict rules. And thinking that is not a tourist friendly country.
On 23-Jun-2017 12:52 AM, "Jayanta Nath" jayantanth@gmail.com wrote:
I think Wikimedia Canada not send any intimation to their Embassy of respective countries.
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So an organisation P in country Q writes a letter of support to country R to grant a visa to person S from country T on the basis that organization P thinks that person S is actually the pseudonymous user U?
I am not surprised immigration officials don't find this an entirely compelling reason to grant a visa. WMF is not a Canadian organization, and it is not clear to me that WMF is actually in a position to confirm the real life identity of the user they want to attend in any case.
Kerry
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On 24 Jun 2017, at 12:19 am, Jean-Philippe Béland jpbeland@wikimedia.ca wrote:
As per WMF directions, Wikimedia Canada was not involved in anything in relations to visas. The WMF is taking care of that themselves. They did not ask us to write anything to embassies.
I am sorry that Canada has strict rules on visa requirements for a lot of countries.
Jean-Philippe Béland Vice President, Wikimedia Canada User:Amqui
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Ranjith S ranjith.sajeev@gmail.com wrote: My visa is also got rejected. So I am not coming to Canada this year. I think Canada is a bad place for Wikimania due to their strict rules. And thinking that is not a tourist friendly country.
On 23-Jun-2017 12:52 AM, "Jayanta Nath" jayantanth@gmail.com wrote: I think Wikimedia Canada not send any intimation to their Embassy of respective countries.
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So an organisation P in country Q writes a letter of support to country R to grant a visa to person S from country T on the basis that organization P thinks that person S is actually the pseudonymous user U?
++ this is the big issue.
On 24-Jun-2017 6:58 AM, "Kerry Raymond" kerry.raymond@gmail.com wrote:
So an organisation P in country Q writes a letter of support to country R to grant a visa to person S from country T on the basis that organization P thinks that person S is actually the pseudonymous user U?
I am not surprised immigration officials don't find this an entirely compelling reason to grant a visa. WMF is not a Canadian organization, and it is not clear to me that WMF is actually in a position to confirm the real life identity of the user they want to attend in any case.
Kerry
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On 24 Jun 2017, at 12:19 am, Jean-Philippe Béland jpbeland@wikimedia.ca wrote:
As per WMF directions, Wikimedia Canada was not involved in anything in relations to visas. The WMF is taking care of that themselves. They did not ask us to write anything to embassies.
I am sorry that Canada has strict rules on visa requirements for a lot of countries.
Jean-Philippe Béland Vice President, Wikimedia Canada User:Amqui
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Ranjith S ranjith.sajeev@gmail.com wrote:
My visa is also got rejected. So I am not coming to Canada this year. I think Canada is a bad place for Wikimania due to their strict rules. And thinking that is not a tourist friendly country.
On 23-Jun-2017 12:52 AM, "Jayanta Nath" jayantanth@gmail.com wrote:
I think Wikimedia Canada not send any intimation to their Embassy of respective countries.
Jayanta Nath
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Writing as a Canadian, I can only apologize for the difficulty so many of you are having in obtaining visas to this country. I am really looking forward to welcoming many of you to the beautiful city of Montreal, and I am devastated to read that so many people seem to be being turned down for visas.
The decisions for locations for Wikimania are made about two years in advance - which is actually pretty late for large international conferences (most international organizations make these decisions 3-4 years in advance). But even during the course of two years, some circumstances can change significantly. I am aware that Canada has become more stringent in handing out visas, as have many other countries in the past 2 years - something that couldn't really be anticipated at the time the decision was made. I don't have any good advice for any of you on this - while I live in Canada, I'm not a member of either the Wikimania planning group or Wikimania Canada, and I have no contacts in the federal government that would be helpful in getting visas.
I am hoping that some magic can happen for you that will enable you to come to Canada. We will all be losing the value of your company, and you will be missed.
Risker/Anne
On 23 June 2017 at 21:28, Kerry Raymond kerry.raymond@gmail.com wrote:
So an organisation P in country Q writes a letter of support to country R to grant a visa to person S from country T on the basis that organization P thinks that person S is actually the pseudonymous user U?
I am not surprised immigration officials don't find this an entirely compelling reason to grant a visa. WMF is not a Canadian organization, and it is not clear to me that WMF is actually in a position to confirm the real life identity of the user they want to attend in any case.
Kerry
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On 24 Jun 2017, at 12:19 am, Jean-Philippe Béland jpbeland@wikimedia.ca wrote:
As per WMF directions, Wikimedia Canada was not involved in anything in relations to visas. The WMF is taking care of that themselves. They did not ask us to write anything to embassies.
I am sorry that Canada has strict rules on visa requirements for a lot of countries.
Jean-Philippe Béland Vice President, Wikimedia Canada User:Amqui
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Ranjith S ranjith.sajeev@gmail.com wrote:
My visa is also got rejected. So I am not coming to Canada this year. I think Canada is a bad place for Wikimania due to their strict rules. And thinking that is not a tourist friendly country.
On 23-Jun-2017 12:52 AM, "Jayanta Nath" jayantanth@gmail.com wrote:
I think Wikimedia Canada not send any intimation to their Embassy of respective countries.
Jayanta Nath
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I would think that once a location is chosen the first step would be for the WMF to immediately open up discussions with the relevant Authority to ensure that scholarships recipients have sufficient paperwork and time to get approval as well as any assurances or processing options can be put in place. If there is a limit put on the number of attendee then at least that can be in the open so people know and if people already have visa that enable them to attend they could at least present this as part of the application.
Ideally an Affiliate would be the best situated to do such things but this then raises issues about the status of User Groups which are designed not to have the bureaucracy of chapters and therefore wont necessarily have the same legal standing to support visa applications or even advocate for them.
On 24 June 2017 at 10:19, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Writing as a Canadian, I can only apologize for the difficulty so many of you are having in obtaining visas to this country. I am really looking forward to welcoming many of you to the beautiful city of Montreal, and I am devastated to read that so many people seem to be being turned down for visas.
The decisions for locations for Wikimania are made about two years in advance - which is actually pretty late for large international conferences (most international organizations make these decisions 3-4 years in advance). But even during the course of two years, some circumstances can change significantly. I am aware that Canada has become more stringent in handing out visas, as have many other countries in the past 2 years - something that couldn't really be anticipated at the time the decision was made. I don't have any good advice for any of you on this - while I live in Canada, I'm not a member of either the Wikimania planning group or Wikimania Canada, and I have no contacts in the federal government that would be helpful in getting visas.
I am hoping that some magic can happen for you that will enable you to come to Canada. We will all be losing the value of your company, and you will be missed.
Risker/Anne
On 23 June 2017 at 21:28, Kerry Raymond kerry.raymond@gmail.com wrote:
So an organisation P in country Q writes a letter of support to country R to grant a visa to person S from country T on the basis that organization P thinks that person S is actually the pseudonymous user U?
I am not surprised immigration officials don't find this an entirely compelling reason to grant a visa. WMF is not a Canadian organization, and it is not clear to me that WMF is actually in a position to confirm the real life identity of the user they want to attend in any case.
Kerry
Sent from my iPad
On 24 Jun 2017, at 12:19 am, Jean-Philippe Béland jpbeland@wikimedia.ca wrote:
As per WMF directions, Wikimedia Canada was not involved in anything in relations to visas. The WMF is taking care of that themselves. They did not ask us to write anything to embassies.
I am sorry that Canada has strict rules on visa requirements for a lot of countries.
Jean-Philippe Béland Vice President, Wikimedia Canada User:Amqui
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Ranjith S ranjith.sajeev@gmail.com wrote:
My visa is also got rejected. So I am not coming to Canada this year. I think Canada is a bad place for Wikimania due to their strict rules. And thinking that is not a tourist friendly country.
On 23-Jun-2017 12:52 AM, "Jayanta Nath" jayantanth@gmail.com wrote:
I think Wikimedia Canada not send any intimation to their Embassy of respective countries.
Jayanta Nath
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