Hello all! Did you know that you can add yourself to: http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Attendees/en
if you are planning to attend Wikimania? This is a great way to let others know you're coming -- just click on the "definitely" or "maybe" links at the top to get taken to a lovely little templated form. Pretty cool!
-- phoebe
That page is not very KISS. It took me (a veteran Wikipedian with a severe case of template skills) more than five minutes to figure out how to edit my entry - for less experienced editors it would probably take longer. So its layout should definitely be changed.
2010/6/11 phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com
Hello all! Did you know that you can add yourself to: http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Attendees/en
if you are planning to attend Wikimania? This is a great way to let others know you're coming -- just click on the "definitely" or "maybe" links at the top to get taken to a lovely little templated form. Pretty cool!
-- phoebe
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Agreed. That page is hard to use. :( I'd {{sofixit}} but I've grown old and lazy. :)
On Jun 11, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Jon Harald Søby wrote:
That page is not very KISS. It took me (a veteran Wikipedian with a severe case of template skills) more than five minutes to figure out how to edit my entry - for less experienced editors it would probably take longer. So its layout should definitely be changed.
2010/6/11 phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com Hello all! Did you know that you can add yourself to: http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Attendees/en
if you are planning to attend Wikimania? This is a great way to let others know you're coming -- just click on the "definitely" or "maybe" links at the top to get taken to a lovely little templated form. Pretty cool!
-- phoebe
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I'm drunk right now, so I'll have to wait a while before {{sofixit}}ing it. ;-) I'll do it tomorrow unless someone beats me to it.
(On a serious note, I'm not so drunk that I make spelling errors.)
2010/6/11 Philippe Beaudette pbeaudette@wikimedia.org
Agreed. That page is hard to use. :( I'd {{sofixit}} but I've grown old and lazy. :)
On Jun 11, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Jon Harald Søby wrote:
That page is not very KISS. It took me (a veteran Wikipedian with a severe case of template skills) more than five minutes to figure out how to edit my entry - for less experienced editors it would probably take longer. So its layout should definitely be changed.
2010/6/11 phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com
Hello all! Did you know that you can add yourself to: http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Attendees/en
if you are planning to attend Wikimania? This is a great way to let others know you're coming -- just click on the "definitely" or "maybe" links at the top to get taken to a lovely little templated form. Pretty cool!
-- phoebe
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It seems to me there was this problem last year at Wikimania involving you being drunk on closing night, and something about your mobile phone?
/me runs
On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Jon Harald Søby wrote:
I'm drunk right now, so I'll have to wait a while before {{sofixit}}ing it. ;-) I'll do it tomorrow unless someone beats me to it.
(On a serious note, I'm not so drunk that I make spelling errors.)
2010/6/11 Philippe Beaudette pbeaudette@wikimedia.org Agreed. That page is hard to use. :( I'd {{sofixit}} but I've grown old and lazy. :)
On Jun 11, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Jon Harald Søby wrote:
That page is not very KISS. It took me (a veteran Wikipedian with a severe case of template skills) more than five minutes to figure out how to edit my entry - for less experienced editors it would probably take longer. So its layout should definitely be changed.
2010/6/11 phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com Hello all! Did you know that you can add yourself to: http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Attendees/en
if you are planning to attend Wikimania? This is a great way to let others know you're coming -- just click on the "definitely" or "maybe" links at the top to get taken to a lovely little templated form. Pretty cool!
-- phoebe
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i dont think that it is very inviting for new attendees to share your stories about drunk people...
2010/6/11 Philippe Beaudette pbeaudette@wikimedia.org
It seems to me there was this problem last year at Wikimania involving you being drunk on closing night, and something about your mobile phone?
/me runs
On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Jon Harald Søby wrote:
I'm drunk right now, so I'll have to wait a while before {{sofixit}}ing it. ;-) I'll do it tomorrow unless someone beats me to it.
(On a serious note, I'm not so drunk that I make spelling errors.)
2010/6/11 Philippe Beaudette pbeaudette@wikimedia.org
Agreed. That page is hard to use. :( I'd {{sofixit}} but I've grown old and lazy. :)
On Jun 11, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Jon Harald Søby wrote:
That page is not very KISS. It took me (a veteran Wikipedian with a severe case of template skills) more than five minutes to figure out how to edit my entry - for less experienced editors it would probably take longer. So its layout should definitely be changed.
2010/6/11 phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com
Hello all! Did you know that you can add yourself to: http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Attendees/en
if you are planning to attend Wikimania? This is a great way to let others know you're coming -- just click on the "definitely" or "maybe" links at the top to get taken to a lovely little templated form. Pretty cool!
-- phoebe
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I dunno, there's something to be said for developing a feeling of community around the event. But you're probably right that it isn't the BEST example :)
pb
On Jun 11, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Lodewijk wrote:
i dont think that it is very inviting for new attendees to share your stories about drunk people...
Perhaps so but it is pretty kind of oldbies to warn newcomers how a drunk Scandinavian could be horrible. In another year before the conference he fetched me who prepared a talk in last minutes to drink with him ..
/me runs too
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
i dont think that it is very inviting for new attendees to share your stories about drunk people...
2010/6/11 Philippe Beaudette pbeaudette@wikimedia.org
It seems to me there was this problem last year at Wikimania involving you being drunk on closing night, and something about your mobile phone? /me runs On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Jon Harald Søby wrote:
I'm drunk right now, so I'll have to wait a while before {{sofixit}}ing it. ;-) I'll do it tomorrow unless someone beats me to it.
(On a serious note, I'm not so drunk that I make spelling errors.)
2010/6/11 Philippe Beaudette pbeaudette@wikimedia.org
Agreed. That page is hard to use. :( I'd {{sofixit}} but I've grown old and lazy. :)
On Jun 11, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Jon Harald Søby wrote:
That page is not very KISS. It took me (a veteran Wikipedian with a severe case of template skills) more than five minutes to figure out how to edit my entry - for less experienced editors it would probably take longer. So its layout should definitely be changed.
2010/6/11 phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com
Hello all! Did you know that you can add yourself to: http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Attendees/en
if you are planning to attend Wikimania? This is a great way to let others know you're coming -- just click on the "definitely" or "maybe" links at the top to get taken to a lovely little templated form. Pretty cool!
-- phoebe
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I have no recollection of that.
(And that may be part of the problem.)
2010/6/11 Philippe Beaudette pbeaudette@wikimedia.org
It seems to me there was this problem last year at Wikimania involving you being drunk on closing night, and something about your mobile phone?
/me runs
On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Jon Harald Søby wrote:
I'm drunk right now, so I'll have to wait a while before {{sofixit}}ing it. ;-) I'll do it tomorrow unless someone beats me to it.
(On a serious note, I'm not so drunk that I make spelling errors.)
2010/6/11 Philippe Beaudette pbeaudette@wikimedia.org
Agreed. That page is hard to use. :( I'd {{sofixit}} but I've grown old and lazy. :)
On Jun 11, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Jon Harald Søby wrote:
That page is not very KISS. It took me (a veteran Wikipedian with a severe case of template skills) more than five minutes to figure out how to edit my entry - for less experienced editors it would probably take longer. So its layout should definitely be changed.
2010/6/11 phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com
Hello all! Did you know that you can add yourself to: http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Attendees/en
if you are planning to attend Wikimania? This is a great way to let others know you're coming -- just click on the "definitely" or "maybe" links at the top to get taken to a lovely little templated form. Pretty cool!
-- phoebe
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I think this is an excellent opportunity to demonstrate "be bold":) Otherwise... I just wanted to point out to people that it exists. Now is the time to start coordinating arrivals, departures, field trips, etc.
-- phoebe
2010/6/11 Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com:
That page is not very KISS. It took me (a veteran Wikipedian with a severe case of template skills) more than five minutes to figure out how to edit my entry - for less experienced editors it would probably take longer. So its layout should definitely be changed.
2010/6/11 phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com
Hello all! Did you know that you can add yourself to: http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Attendees/en
if you are planning to attend Wikimania? This is a great way to let others know you're coming -- just click on the "definitely" or "maybe" links at the top to get taken to a lovely little templated form. Pretty cool!
-- phoebe
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Hi, 'maniacs,
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 5:25 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com wrote:
I think this is an excellent opportunity to demonstrate "be bold":) Otherwise... I just wanted to point out to people that it exists. Now is the time to start coordinating arrivals, departures, field trips, etc.
I agree with you guys 100%. Supposing you're definitely going to attend, all you have to edit is http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Attendees/100 Am I alright?
--OTA Takashi
Hi,
I agree with you guys 100%. Supposing you're definitely going to attend, all you have to edit is http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Attendees/100 Am I alright?
Just click on "Attendees" on the sidebar, then the link "Definitly" and fill out the form. If you are already on the list, you can edit [[Template:Attendees/100]] to change any existing information.
Regards,
Church of emacs
On 12 June 2010 11:41, church.of.emacs.ml church.of.emacs.ml@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi,
I agree with you guys 100%. Supposing you're definitely going to attend, all you have to edit is http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Attendees/100 Am I alright?
Just click on "Attendees" on the sidebar, then the link "Definitly" and fill out the form. If you are already on the list, you can edit [[Template:Attendees/100]] to change any existing information.
The form is extremely unclear. Some kind of documentation about what format the entries should be in would help (eg. project should apparently be the transwiki prefix for your home project - it needs to say that, I only worked it out by looking at other people's entries). I would fix it myself, but I haven't been able to work it all out...
The form is extremely unclear. Some kind of documentation about what format the entries should be in would help (eg. project should apparently be the transwiki prefix for your home project - it needs to say that, I only worked it out by looking at other people's entries). I would fix it myself, but I haven't been able to work it all out...
Actually, everything is explained through an editintro (did you click on one of the links on [[Attendees/en]]?). It says it right there: "# Project: Your main project in Interwiki syntax. E.g. "en" if your main project is English Wikipedia. If your main project isn't Wikipedia, please use something like "de:wikt" (language code first). Note: This creates an interwiki link. Anything that isn't in the correct syntax will break the template. Leave blank if you do not have an account or do not wish to link to your user page."
Few users have trouble filling out the form, from time to time I go through all entries and fix broken ones.
Regards,
Church of emacs
Hi,
On 06/11/2010 10:23 PM, Jon Harald Søby wrote:
That page is not very KISS. It took me (a veteran Wikipedian with a severe case of template skills) more than five minutes to figure out how to edit my entry - for less experienced editors it would probably take longer. So its layout should definitely be changed.
I concur that editing an existing entry is a bit difficult. I didn't think it would happen a lot, as most of the entered information *should* be static (like username, home wiki) and not subject to changes. There are two different philosophies: * Try to make adding yourself simpler by making the system complex (e.g. a complex template system). * Try to make adding yourself simpler by keeping the system simple (e.g. a simple list).
Both approaches have advantages and disadvantages. The former (which is the one I chose) makes it easy to translate the page and provide *all* the information in a sorted, quite presentable and machine-readable way. Adding yourself to the list is also very easy (as opposed to learning WikiSyntax or adding yourself to a table as in [[External Review]]). It has of course the disadvantage that it gets quite difficult if you want to understand the underlying template system instead of just using the provided interfaces. Template coding sucks in Mediawiki, we know that :)
I've added a comment in the sections which give hints where to look (<!-- Edit your entry here: [[Template:Attendees/100]] -->). Perhaps that helps a little.
Regards,
User:Church of emacs
It would have been great if the first column list the name of the country instead of flag.
It is very difficult to collect data from it based on country. Remember most people can recognize only the flag of his nation.
Shiju
2010/6/12 Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com
That page is not very KISS. It took me (a veteran Wikipedian with a severe case of template skills) more than five minutes to figure out how to edit my entry - for less experienced editors it would probably take longer. So its layout should definitely be changed.
2010/6/11 phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com
Hello all! Did you know that you can add yourself to:
http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Attendees/en
if you are planning to attend Wikimania? This is a great way to let others know you're coming -- just click on the "definitely" or "maybe" links at the top to get taken to a lovely little templated form. Pretty cool!
-- phoebe
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On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.com wrote:
It would have been great if the first column list the name of the country instead of flag.
It is very difficult to collect data from it based on country. Remember most people can recognize only the flag of his nation.
If you hover over the flag image, it gives you the country code. (The table is supposed to be language independent, so putting the country name would defeat the purpose. :-))
hmm. Is there is any specific reason for keeping it language independent?
Sorting is also not working for that column. I am not able to see all the attendees from a country (for example, from USA) together if I sort it.
Shiju
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 6:58 AM, Casey Brown lists@caseybrown.org wrote:
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.com wrote:
It would have been great if the first column list the name of the country instead of flag.
It is very difficult to collect data from it based on country. Remember
most
people can recognize only the flag of his nation.
If you hover over the flag image, it gives you the country code. (The table is supposed to be language independent, so putting the country name would defeat the purpose. :-))
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On 06/12/2010 03:55 AM, Shiju Alex wrote:
hmm. Is there is any specific reason for keeping it language independent?
Language != Country
Sorting is also not working for that column. I am not able to see all the attendees from a country (for example, from USA) together if I sort it.
Thanks for the note. I fixed that problem, the table is now sortable with the country.
I created a "CountryCode->CountryName" template so now the alt text is the full (English) country name. Just hover your mouse over an Icon to see which country it is. You can also click on the icon to go to the English Wikipedia article of the country.
Regards,
Church of emacs
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