Hi,
Right now, we already have a dozen separate wikis for each past and future Wikimanias, and there's no doubt there'll be much more to come.
The idea here is to have a single Wikimania wiki (wikimania.wikimedia.org) for all conferences, instead of the current separate-wiki style (wikimania2012.wikimedia.org). This has been discussed at Wikimania project domain in 2011, but it seems to have quickly ran outta gas.
Key issues addressed: * Q1: Organizers (alone) of a current conference needs to have absolute control over the conference wiki (aka being an admin). * A1: Wikimania wikis does not run as normal projects. Hence, all organizers shall easily be given admin rights (and former organizers removed) as it becomes necessary. The cycle continues.
* Q2: What about archiving past wikis? What if we need to look back? * A2: Except for key pages (such as the Main Page), all other pages of each project could be created under the respective year's subpage. For example, all 2012 conference's pages would be under [http://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2012/page/page/etc]. Additionally if necessary, any vital page requiring archiving could also be edit protected (cascading style too, if possible).
Please respond at the existing Wikimania project domain proposal page, and help it get off the ground.
Thanks!
[[User:Rehman]]
P.s. If for some reason the links in the above mail don't work, the Wikimania project domain proposal can be found at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_project_domain
Is it possible to unify them into a single domain, but keep them as separate wikis? For example, I would think that http://wikimania.wikimedia.org/2012/page is still better than sub-pages on a single wiki (where it can get messy) or separate wikis on a separate wikimania.org domain (where we just move the problem elsewhere).
Josh
Wiadomość napisana przez Rehman Wikimedia rehman.wikimedia@live.com w dniu 21 wrz 2013, o godz. 21:20:
Hi,
Right now, we already have a dozen separate wikis for each past and future Wikimanias, and there's no doubt there'll be much more to come.
The idea here is to have a single Wikimania wiki (wikimania.wikimedia.org) for all conferences, instead of the current separate-wiki style (wikimania2012.wikimedia.org). This has been discussed at Wikimania project domain in 2011, but it seems to have quickly ran outta gas.
Key issues addressed:
Q1: Organizers (alone) of a current conference needs to have absolute control over the conference wiki (aka being an admin).
A1: Wikimania wikis does not run as normal projects. Hence, all organizers shall easily be given admin rights (and former organizers removed) as it becomes necessary. The cycle continues.
Q2: What about archiving past wikis? What if we need to look back?
A2: Except for key pages (such as the Main Page), all other pages of each project could be created under the respective year's subpage. For example, all 2012 conference's pages would be under [http://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2012/page/page/etc]. Additionally if necessary, any vital page requiring archiving could also be edit protected (cascading style too, if possible).
Please respond at the existing Wikimania project domain proposal page, and help it get off the ground.
Thanks!
[[User:Rehman]]
P.s. If for some reason the links in the above mail don't work, the Wikimania project domain proposal can be found at:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_project_domain _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Is it possible to unify them into a single domain, but keep them as separate wikis? For example, I would think that http://wikimania.wikimedia.org/2012/page is still better than sub-pages on a single wiki (where it can get messy) or separate wikis on a separate wikimania.org domain (where we just move the problem elsewhere).
Josh
I can see some of the desire for the same wiki (to have everything accessible in one place etc) though not completely sold personally. I worry too much old on the same wiki ends up getting very confusing and cluttered, we have this problem in many other places.
I don't completely understand how http://wikimania.wikimedia.org/2012/page would be better then, say https://2012.wikimania.org/wiki/page though? I may be missing something so I apologize if I am. I feel like the break from our normal naming structure could get very confusing (I do think that, yes, it's certainly possible though).
James
James Alexander jamesofur@gmail.com jalexander@wikimedia.org
As James said here, and on the meta page, we should stick by the wisdom of, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
One benefit for each year's Wikimania team is that it has a brand new MediaWiki install, which allows them to have a clean slate technically and design-wise from previous years. It also keeps administration cleaner, and maintains compatibility as we go forward. I've been involved with every Wikimania since the first one, and it would be painful to have to maintain the same MediaWiki instance across a decade's worth of Wikimanias.
I do appreciate opening the discussion to thinking about how to make this cleaner. But unless there is a compelling need, you usually stick with what got us here.
-Andrew
-Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: andrew@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 6:12 AM, James Alexander jamesofur@gmail.comwrote:
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.comwrote:
Is it possible to unify them into a single domain, but keep them as separate wikis? For example, I would think that http://wikimania.wikimedia.org/2012/page is still better than sub-pages on a single wiki (where it can get messy) or separate wikis on a separate wikimania.org domain (where we just move the problem elsewhere).
Josh
I can see some of the desire for the same wiki (to have everything accessible in one place etc) though not completely sold personally. I worry too much old on the same wiki ends up getting very confusing and cluttered, we have this problem in many other places.
I don't completely understand how http://wikimania.wikimedia.org/2012/page would be better then, say https://2012.wikimania.org/wiki/page though? I may be missing something so I apologize if I am. I feel like the break from our normal naming structure could get very confusing (I do think that, yes, it's certainly possible though).
James
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