Nkansah Rexford wrote:
Please, can I get a link to watch some of the WMHK videos online? Or they're not yet out?
rex
I too would love to see the videos. Is there any news on where they're at? The people who couldn't attend Wikimania, and the people who were attending other sessions in the same timeslot, would all benefit so very much!
The schedule page could be an awesome Table of Contents, but currently it leads to a lot of "teasers"... https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule
Also Slides - Much thanks to those of you who've added your slides! If you haven't yet, please do so. If they're uploaded elsewhere, please also add them to commons (for future preservation, in case prezi etc disappear), and group them in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2013_presentation_slid...
Thanks! Quiddity
All the sessions held in the Jockey Club Auditorium are still available on livestream: http://new.livestream.com/socreclive/wikimania
The other sessions have been recorded but will take some time to be uploaded. (Expect this to take a few months based on past experience - we only have volunteers!)
On 28 August 2013 18:18, Quiddity pandiculation@gmail.com wrote:
Nkansah Rexford wrote:
Please, can I get a link to watch some of the WMHK videos online? Or they're not yet out?
rex
I too would love to see the videos. Is there any news on where they're at? The people who couldn't attend Wikimania, and the people who were attending other sessions in the same timeslot, would all benefit so very much!
The schedule page could be an awesome Table of Contents, but currently it leads to a lot of "teasers"... https://wikimania2013.**wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedulehttps://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule
Also Slides - Much thanks to those of you who've added your slides! If you haven't yet, please do so. If they're uploaded elsewhere, please also add them to commons (for future preservation, in case prezi etc disappear), and group them in https://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Category:Wikimania_2013_** presentation_slideshttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2013_presentation_slides
Thanks! Quiddity
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Hi Deryck,
It's great to hear that the parallel sessions were recorded. :-) As a suggestion: those that are asking for these videos might also be willing to help edit and upload those videos to Commons. Would you be willing to share the raw recordings with interested individuals so that they could do so?
Thanks, Mike (who is not volunteering edit video recordings here! Although I can provide some FTP storage for video files if that would be useful.)
On 28 Aug 2013, at 22:08, Deryck Chan deryckchan@gmail.com wrote:
All the sessions held in the Jockey Club Auditorium are still available on livestream: http://new.livestream.com/socreclive/wikimania
The other sessions have been recorded but will take some time to be uploaded. (Expect this to take a few months based on past experience - we only have volunteers!)
On 28 August 2013 18:18, Quiddity pandiculation@gmail.com wrote: Nkansah Rexford wrote: Please, can I get a link to watch some of the WMHK videos online? Or they're not yet out?
rex
I too would love to see the videos. Is there any news on where they're at? The people who couldn't attend Wikimania, and the people who were attending other sessions in the same timeslot, would all benefit so very much!
The schedule page could be an awesome Table of Contents, but currently it leads to a lot of "teasers"... https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule
Also Slides - Much thanks to those of you who've added your slides! If you haven't yet, please do so. If they're uploaded elsewhere, please also add them to commons (for future preservation, in case prezi etc disappear), and group them in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2013_presentation_slid...
Thanks! Quiddity
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Sharing videos are so important. This is what I suggest.
At the end of the wikimania, all videos shot (even if up to 15+ Gig) should be available for any attendee to copy onto their external hard drive or personal computer to take along to his/her originating country. At their home countries, they can share those videos directly also with their wikimedian friends who couldn't make it to the event.
Like myself, I could have gotten the videos easily from Sandister, which will be less costly, convenient, and faster to get instead of downloading or watching online.
I don't know of data costs in other parts of the world, but from where I am, downloading/watching online videos *really *cost. Plus, the down streaming speed isn't good.
Summary: Make all recorded videos available at the end of the event for anyone interested to copy (perhaps in an intranet) before person returns to their countries. Sharing of the videos should be decentralized.
rexford
On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Michael Peel wrote:
Hi Deryck,
It's great to hear that the parallel sessions were recorded. :-) As a suggestion: those that are asking for these videos might also be willing to help edit and upload those videos to Commons. Would you be willing to share the raw recordings with interested individuals so that they could do so?
Thanks, Mike (who is not volunteering edit video recordings here! Although I can provide some FTP storage for video files if that would be useful.)
On 28 Aug 2013, at 22:08, Deryck Chan <deryckchan@gmail.com javascript:;> wrote:
All the sessions held in the Jockey Club Auditorium are still available
on livestream:
http://new.livestream.com/socreclive/wikimania
The other sessions have been recorded but will take some time to be
uploaded. (Expect this to take a few months based on past experience - we only have volunteers!)
On 28 August 2013 18:18, Quiddity <pandiculation@gmail.comjavascript:;>
wrote:
Nkansah Rexford wrote: Please, can I get a link to watch some of the WMHK videos online? Or they're not yet out?
rex
I too would love to see the videos. Is there any news on where they're
at?
The people who couldn't attend Wikimania, and the people who were attending other sessions in the same timeslot, would all benefit so very much!
The schedule page could be an awesome Table of Contents, but currently it leads to a lot of "teasers"... https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule
Also Slides - Much thanks to those of you who've added your slides! If you haven't yet, please do so. If they're uploaded elsewhere, please also add them to commons (for future preservation, in case prezi etc disappear), and group them in
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2013_presentation_slid...
Thanks! Quiddity
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On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Nkansah Rexford wrote:
Sharing videos are so important. This is what I suggest.
At the end of the wikimania, all videos shot (even if up to 15+ Gig) should be available for any attendee to copy onto their external hard drive or personal computer to take along to his/her originating country. At their home countries, they can share those videos directly also with their wikimedian friends who couldn't make it to the event.
Like myself, I could have gotten the videos easily from Sandister, which will be less costly, convenient, and faster to get instead of downloading or watching online.
I don't know of data costs in other parts of the world, but from where I am, downloading/watching online videos *really *cost. Plus, the down streaming speed isn't good.
Summary: Make all recorded videos available at the end of the event for anyone interested to copy (perhaps in an intranet) before person returns to their countries. Sharing of the videos should be decentralized.
rexford
On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Michael Peel wrote:
Hi Deryck,
It's great to hear that the parallel sessions were recorded. :-) As a suggestion: those that are asking for these videos might also be willing to help edit and upload those videos to Commons. Would you be willing to share the raw recordings with interested individuals so that they could do so?
Thanks, Mike (who is not volunteering edit video recordings here! Although I can provide some FTP storage for video files if that would be useful.)
On 28 Aug 2013, at 22:08, Deryck Chan deryckchan@gmail.com wrote:
All the sessions held in the Jockey Club Auditorium are still available
on livestream:
http://new.livestream.com/socreclive/wikimania
The other sessions have been recorded but will take some time to be
uploaded. (Expect this to take a few months based on past experience - we only have volunteers!)
On 28 August 2013 18:18, Quiddity pandiculation@gmail.com wrote: Nkansah Rexford wrote: Please, can I get a link to watch some of the WMHK videos online? Or they're not yet out?
rex
I too would love to see the videos. Is there any news on where they're
at?
The people who couldn't attend Wikimania, and the people who were attending other sessions in the same timeslot, would all benefit so very much!
The schedule page could be an awesome Table of Contents, but currently it leads to a lot of "teasers"... https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule
Also Slides - Much thanks to those of you who've added your slides! If you haven't yet, please do so. If they're uploaded elsewhere, please also add them to commons (for future preservation, in case prezi etc disappear), and group them in
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2013_presentation_slid...
Thanks! Quiddity
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Yeah, while it would be nice to have the raw video I think you may have a wrong idea here. HDV video has about 10GB per hour. 8 parallel sessions 4.5h per day per session 3 days (last day a bit shorter)
With that I get about one TB of raw video data. Good luck uploading that to an FTP server...
Also, getting the data off of various cams takes a lot of time. I don't see how they could have done it in time to hand it to participants. Daniel
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
Sharing videos are so important. This is what I suggest.
At the end of the wikimania, all videos shot (even if up to 15+ Gig) should be available for any attendee to copy onto their external hard drive or personal computer to take along to his/her originating country. At their home countries, they can share those videos directly also with their wikimedian friends who couldn't make it to the event.
Like myself, I could have gotten the videos easily from Sandister, which will be less costly, convenient, and faster to get instead of downloading or watching online.
I don't know of data costs in other parts of the world, but from where I am, downloading/watching online videos really cost. Plus, the down streaming speed isn't good.
Summary: Make all recorded videos available at the end of the event for anyone interested to copy (perhaps in an intranet) before person returns to their countries. Sharing of the videos should be decentralized.
rexford
On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Michael Peel wrote:
Hi Deryck,
It's great to hear that the parallel sessions were recorded. :-) As a suggestion: those that are asking for these videos might also be willing to help edit and upload those videos to Commons. Would you be willing to share the raw recordings with interested individuals so that they could do so?
Thanks, Mike (who is not volunteering edit video recordings here! Although I can provide some FTP storage for video files if that would be useful.)
On 28 Aug 2013, at 22:08, Deryck Chan deryckchan@gmail.com wrote:
All the sessions held in the Jockey Club Auditorium are still available on livestream: http://new.livestream.com/socreclive/wikimania
The other sessions have been recorded but will take some time to be uploaded. (Expect this to take a few months based on past experience - we only have volunteers!)
On 28 August 2013 18:18, Quiddity pandiculation@gmail.com wrote: Nkansah Rexford wrote: Please, can I get a link to watch some of the WMHK videos online? Or they're not yet out?
rex
I too would love to see the videos. Is there any news on where they're at? The people who couldn't attend Wikimania, and the people who were attending other sessions in the same timeslot, would all benefit so very much!
The schedule page could be an awesome Table of Contents, but currently it leads to a lot of "teasers"... https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule
Also Slides - Much thanks to those of you who've added your slides! If you haven't yet, please do so. If they're uploaded elsewhere, please also add them to commons (for future preservation, in case prezi etc disappear), and group them in
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2013_presentation_slid...
Thanks! Quiddity
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Does it mean those 10s of Gigs are all gonna be uploaded to the FTP server? As the end user, do I *really *need those huge chunks of video? The question will be, what for?
A bit of consideration should be taken into care. End viewers of the video should at least be taken into consideration, thus not going in for an overkill option.
I'm wondering who will dedicate 10+Gig of his data plan to watch an hour video of Wikimania in HDV.
If the end user needs a SD quality of video, why use HDV to record? I'm sure HDV isn't used because its the latest technology or something of that sort.
Steeply stripping down from those huge files to something plausible within 6 hours, I don't think is beyond reach.
Production houses get their final videos somewhere 50Gig+ per hour (some reaching over 100Gig per hour for animations). But these videos reach the viewers somewhere around 700mb, but lose in quality is highly and relatively negligible.
The tools are there, systems are in place. If there's a will, there's a way! If only Wikimania wants it to work, the way to do that is available.
On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Daniel Schwen wrote:
Yeah, while it would be nice to have the raw video I think you may have a wrong idea here. HDV video has about 10GB per hour. 8 parallel sessions 4.5h per day per session 3 days (last day a bit shorter)
With that I get about one TB of raw video data. Good luck uploading that to an FTP server...
Also, getting the data off of various cams takes a lot of time. I don't see how they could have done it in time to hand it to participants. Daniel
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
Sharing videos are so important. This is what I suggest.
At the end of the wikimania, all videos shot (even if up to 15+ Gig)
should
be available for any attendee to copy onto their external hard drive or personal computer to take along to his/her originating country. At their home countries, they can share those videos directly also with their wikimedian friends who couldn't make it to the event.
Like myself, I could have gotten the videos easily from Sandister, which will be less costly, convenient, and faster to get instead of
downloading or
watching online.
I don't know of data costs in other parts of the world, but from where I
am,
downloading/watching online videos really cost. Plus, the down streaming speed isn't good.
Summary: Make all recorded videos available at the end of the event for anyone interested to copy (perhaps in an intranet) before person returns
to
their countries. Sharing of the videos should be decentralized.
rexford
On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Michael Peel wrote:
Hi Deryck,
It's great to hear that the parallel sessions were recorded. :-) As a suggestion: those that are asking for these videos might also be
willing to
help edit and upload those videos to Commons. Would you be willing to
share
the raw recordings with interested individuals so that they could do so?
Thanks, Mike (who is not volunteering edit video recordings here! Although I can provide some FTP storage for video files if that would be useful.)
On 28 Aug 2013, at 22:08, Deryck Chan deryckchan@gmail.com wrote:
All the sessions held in the Jockey Club Auditorium are still
available
on livestream: http://new.livestream.com/socreclive/wikimania
The other sessions have been recorded but will take some time to be uploaded. (Expect this to take a few months based on past experience
- we
only have volunteers!)
On 28 August 2013 18:18, Quiddity pandiculation@gmail.com wrote: Nkansah Rexford wrote: Please, can I get a link to watch some of the WMHK videos online? Or they're not yet out?
rex
I too would love to see the videos. Is there any news on where they're at? The people who couldn't attend Wikimania, and the people who were attending other sessions in the same timeslot, would all benefit so
very
much!
The schedule page could be an awesome Table of Contents, but currently it leads to a lot of "teasers"... https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule
Also Slides - Much thanks to those of you who've added your slides! If you haven't yet, please do so. If they're uploaded elsewhere, please also add them to commons (for future preservation, in case prezi etc disappear), and group them in
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2013_presentation_slid...
Thanks! Quiddity
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It seems as though we have this conversation every year. :-)
If someone provides the WMF with a hard drive, we have usually arranged for the videos to be directly uploaded at the data center, bypassing any FTP madness. I presume ops would be willing to do so again.
PB ————————— Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc
On Aug 28, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
Does it mean those 10s of Gigs are all gonna be uploaded to the FTP server? As the end user, do I *really *need those huge chunks of video? The question will be, what for?
A bit of consideration should be taken into care. End viewers of the video should at least be taken into consideration, thus not going in for an overkill option.
I'm wondering who will dedicate 10+Gig of his data plan to watch an hour video of Wikimania in HDV.
If the end user needs a SD quality of video, why use HDV to record? I'm sure HDV isn't used because its the latest technology or something of that sort.
Steeply stripping down from those huge files to something plausible within 6 hours, I don't think is beyond reach.
Production houses get their final videos somewhere 50Gig+ per hour (some reaching over 100Gig per hour for animations). But these videos reach the viewers somewhere around 700mb, but lose in quality is highly and relatively negligible.
The tools are there, systems are in place. If there's a will, there's a way! If only Wikimania wants it to work, the way to do that is available.
On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Daniel Schwen wrote:
Yeah, while it would be nice to have the raw video I think you may have a wrong idea here. HDV video has about 10GB per hour. 8 parallel sessions 4.5h per day per session 3 days (last day a bit shorter)
With that I get about one TB of raw video data. Good luck uploading that to an FTP server...
Also, getting the data off of various cams takes a lot of time. I don't see how they could have done it in time to hand it to participants. Daniel
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
Sharing videos are so important. This is what I suggest.
At the end of the wikimania, all videos shot (even if up to 15+ Gig)
should
be available for any attendee to copy onto their external hard drive or personal computer to take along to his/her originating country. At their home countries, they can share those videos directly also with their wikimedian friends who couldn't make it to the event.
Like myself, I could have gotten the videos easily from Sandister, which will be less costly, convenient, and faster to get instead of
downloading or
watching online.
I don't know of data costs in other parts of the world, but from where I
am,
downloading/watching online videos really cost. Plus, the down streaming speed isn't good.
Summary: Make all recorded videos available at the end of the event for anyone interested to copy (perhaps in an intranet) before person returns
to
their countries. Sharing of the videos should be decentralized.
rexford
On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Michael Peel wrote:
Hi Deryck,
It's great to hear that the parallel sessions were recorded. :-) As a suggestion: those that are asking for these videos might also be
willing to
help edit and upload those videos to Commons. Would you be willing to
share
the raw recordings with interested individuals so that they could do so?
Thanks, Mike (who is not volunteering edit video recordings here! Although I can provide some FTP storage for video files if that would be useful.)
On 28 Aug 2013, at 22:08, Deryck Chan deryckchan@gmail.com wrote:
All the sessions held in the Jockey Club Auditorium are still
available
on livestream: http://new.livestream.com/socreclive/wikimania
The other sessions have been recorded but will take some time to be uploaded. (Expect this to take a few months based on past experience
- we
only have volunteers!)
On 28 August 2013 18:18, Quiddity pandiculation@gmail.com wrote: Nkansah Rexford wrote: Please, can I get a link to watch some of the WMHK videos online? Or they're not yet out?
rex
I too would love to see the videos. Is there any news on where they're at? The people who couldn't attend Wikimania, and the people who were attending other sessions in the same timeslot, would all benefit so
very
much!
The schedule page could be an awesome Table of Contents, but currently it leads to a lot of "teasers"... https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule
Also Slides - Much thanks to those of you who've added your slides! If you haven't yet, please do so. If they're uploaded elsewhere, please also add them to commons (for future preservation, in case prezi etc disappear), and group them in
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2013_presentation_slid...
Thanks! Quiddity
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Last year's videos totalled how many Gigabytes?
On Thursday, August 29, 2013, Philippe Beaudette wrote:
It seems as though we have this conversation every year. :-)
If someone provides the WMF with a hard drive, we have usually arranged for the videos to be directly uploaded at the data center, bypassing any FTP madness. I presume ops would be willing to do so again.
PB ————————— Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc
On Aug 28, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
Does it mean those 10s of Gigs are all gonna be uploaded to the FTP server? As the end user, do I *really *need those huge chunks of video? The question will be, what for?
A bit of consideration should be taken into care. End viewers of the video should at least be taken into consideration, thus not going in for an overkill option.
I'm wondering who will dedicate 10+Gig of his data plan to watch an hour video of Wikimania in HDV.
If the end user needs a SD quality of video, why use HDV to record? I'm sure HDV isn't used because its the latest technology or something of that sort.
Steeply stripping down from those huge files to something plausible within 6 hours, I don't think is beyond reach.
Production houses get their final videos somewhere 50Gig+ per hour (some reaching over 100Gig per hour for animations). But these videos reach the viewers somewhere around 700mb, but lose in quality is highly and relatively negligible.
The tools are there, systems are in place. If there's a will, there's a way! If only Wikimania wants it to work, the way to do that is available.
On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Daniel Schwen wrote:
Yeah, while it would be nice to have the raw video I think you may have a wrong idea here. HDV video has about 10GB per hour. 8 parallel sessions 4.5h per day per session 3 days (last day a bit shorter)
With that I get about one TB of raw video data. Good luck uploading that to an FTP server...
Also, getting the data off of various cams takes a lot of time. I don't see how they could have done it in time to hand it to participants. Daniel
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
Sharing videos are so important. This is what I suggest.
At the end of the wikimania, all videos shot (even if up to 15+ Gig)
should
be available for any attendee to copy onto their external hard drive or personal computer to take along to his/her originating country. At their home countries, they can share those videos directly also with their wikimedian friends who couldn't make it to the event.
Like myself, I could have gotten the videos easily from Sandister, which will be less costly, convenient, and faster to get instead of
downloading or
watching online.
I don't know of data costs in other parts of the world, but from where I
am,
downloading/watching online videos really cost. Plus, the down streaming speed isn't good.
Summary: Make all recorded videos available at the end of the event for anyone interested to copy (perhaps in an intranet) before person returns
to
their countries. Sharing of the videos should be decentralized.
rexford
On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Michael Peel wrote:
Hi Deryck,
It's great to hear that the parallel sessions were recorded. :-) As a suggestion: those that are asking for these videos might also be
willing to
help edit and upload those videos to Commons. Would you be willing to
share
the raw recordings with interested individuals so that they could do so?
Thanks, Mike (who is not volunteering edit video recordings here! Although I can provide some FTP storage for video files if that would be useful.)
On 28 Aug 2013, at 22:08, Deryck Chan deryckchan@gmail.com wrote:
All the sessions held in the Jockey Club Auditorium are still
available
on livestream: http://new.livestream.com/socreclive/wikimania
The other sessions have been recorded but will take some time to be uploaded. (Expect this to take a few months based on past experience
- we
only have volunteers!)
On 28 August 2013 18:18, Quiddity pandiculation@gmail.com wrote: Nkansah Rexford wrote: Please, can I get a link to watch some of the WMHK videos online? Or they're not yet out?
rex
On Aug 28, 2013 9:42 PM, "Philippe Beaudette" pbeaudette@wikimedia.org wrote:
It seems as though we have this conversation every year. :-)
If someone provides the WMF with a hard drive, we have usually arranged
for the videos to be directly uploaded at the data center, bypassing any FTP madness. I presume ops would be willing to do so again.
Part of the problem seems to be that people are discussing 2 completely separate questions (raw, unedited, HD quality size vs. compressed+encoded size). People are then conflating these questions (and apparently not everyone realizes that there's even multiple questions in the thread).
(also, file size is extra irrelevant for end users with slow or capped pipes because transcoding to various sizes/formats happens on the WMF cluster server side)
The WMF is prepared to receive files which are all ready for import to commons (complete with corresponding initial contents for each description page). and sometimes that means HDD in snail mail or giving someone an HTTP URL to download from. (but that should be less common with chunked uploads now available to upload wizard and bots)
They are however, *not* prepared to receive and process unedited+raw HD video. (apparently some of the files are still at this stage)
-Jeremy
On 08/28/2013 09:12 PM, Nkansah Rexford wrote:
I'm wondering who will dedicate 10+Gig of his data plan to watch an hour video of Wikimania in HDV.
No one, since Commons downscales it automatically (no matter what size you upload in).
If the end user needs a SD quality of video, why use HDV to record? I'm sure HDV isn't used because its the latest technology or something of that sort.
It's standard procedure to record in higher quality than viewers will watch in. Among other things, it provides editing flexibility, and allows archiving the high quality content (whether at Archive.org, Commons (depending on size), or somewhere else. Then later, if file size limits change, or people want higher quality (e.g. for a BluRay or something), you can remaster from a high quality recording.
Matt Flaschen
I can live with fixed quality, also two years later I don't need a higher quality. For me important is that the videos are available relatively soon. This increase the impact a talk can have in the community.
Nobody is interested at a talk that is an half year old.
I learn in the OpenStreetMap community the way to make this possible for conferences[1]. The video are available 1-3 days after the presentation. The solution is to cut the video from the presenter and the slides during the talk and compress everything in real time. So it's possible to do this for volunteers.
I hope we will have such a system next year, this would increase the impact of the whole Wikimania. If it cost money to have a system for so many tracks, I'm sure that it's a good investment for the project.
Greetings Tim alias Kolossos
[1] FOSSGISS conference: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FOSSGIS_2013#Videos%20und%20Folien SOTM-US conference: http://vimeopro.com/openstreetmapus/state-of-the-map-us-2013/ System at FOSSGIS: http://www.boinx.com/boinxtv/overview/
Am 29.08.2013 05:31, schrieb Matthew Flaschen:
On 08/28/2013 09:12 PM, Nkansah Rexford wrote:
I'm wondering who will dedicate 10+Gig of his data plan to watch an hour video of Wikimania in HDV.
No one, since Commons downscales it automatically (no matter what size you upload in).
If the end user needs a SD quality of video, why use HDV to record? I'm sure HDV isn't used because its the latest technology or something of that sort.
It's standard procedure to record in higher quality than viewers will watch in. Among other things, it provides editing flexibility, and allows archiving the high quality content (whether at Archive.org, Commons (depending on size), or somewhere else. Then later, if file size limits change, or people want higher quality (e.g. for a BluRay or something), you can remaster from a high quality recording.
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Fortunately, next year everything will be live streamed and available immediately.
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brainstorming#Live_broadcastin g
Indeed we are always repeating the same things. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Handbook#Video_recording_and_streaming
Daniel Schwen, 29/08/2013 01:18:
Yeah, while it would be nice to have the raw video I think you may have a wrong idea here. HDV video has about 10GB per hour. 8 parallel sessions 4.5h per day per session 3 days (last day a bit shorter)
With that I get about one TB of raw video data. Good luck uploading that to an FTP server...
Not an FTP server, but on archive.org even 1 TB is easy. :) No need to ship hard disks to other continents; it also takes care of the format conversion. Bulk upload tool: https://github.com/kngenie/ias3upload I have already uploaded the videos from livestream: https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22Wikimania+2013%22
Jan Ainali, 29/08/2013 10:50:
Fortunately, next year everything will be live streamed and available immediately.
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brainstorming#Live_broadcasting
I don't see any such reassurance in there.
Nemo
Quoting "Federico Leva (Nemo)" nemowiki@gmail.com:
Indeed we are always repeating the same things. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Handbook#Video_recording_and_streaming
Daniel Schwen, 29/08/2013 01:18:
Yeah, while it would be nice to have the raw video I think you may have a wrong idea here. HDV video has about 10GB per hour. 8 parallel sessions 4.5h per day per session 3 days (last day a bit shorter)
With that I get about one TB of raw video data. Good luck uploading that to an FTP server...
Jan Ainali, 29/08/2013 10:50:
Fortunately, next year everything will be live streamed and available immediately.
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brainstorming#Live_broadcasting
* Commented on page.
I don't see any such reassurance in there.
I'll have a go. ;)
Brian McNeil
Hi Deryck. Can we upload some of the videos to Commons in the meantime? The streaming doesn't say how the videos are licensed so we can't use them (or part of them) yet.
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2013/8/28 Deryck Chan deryckchan@gmail.com
All the sessions held in the Jockey Club Auditorium are still available on livestream: http://new.livestream.com/socreclive/wikimania
The other sessions have been recorded but will take some time to be uploaded. (Expect this to take a few months based on past experience - we only have volunteers!)
On 28 August 2013 18:18, Quiddity pandiculation@gmail.com wrote:
Nkansah Rexford wrote:
Please, can I get a link to watch some of the WMHK videos online? Or they're not yet out?
rex
I too would love to see the videos. Is there any news on where they're at? The people who couldn't attend Wikimania, and the people who were attending other sessions in the same timeslot, would all benefit so very much!
The schedule page could be an awesome Table of Contents, but currently it leads to a lot of "teasers"... https://wikimania2013.**wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedulehttps://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule
Also Slides - Much thanks to those of you who've added your slides! If you haven't yet, please do so. If they're uploaded elsewhere, please also add them to commons (for future preservation, in case prezi etc disappear), and group them in https://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Category:Wikimania_2013_** presentation_slideshttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2013_presentation_slides
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Osmar, Rex, et al,
At the moment all we have is a 2TB hard disk of all the videos, unedited and unsorted. (Now I can let all your questions answer themselves.)
Deryck Hi Deryck. Can we upload some of the videos to Commons in the meantime? The streaming doesn't say how the videos are licensed so we can't use them (or part of them) yet.
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2013/8/28 Deryck Chan deryckchan@gmail.com
All the sessions held in the Jockey Club Auditorium are still available on livestream: http://new.livestream.com/socreclive/wikimania
The other sessions have been recorded but will take some time to be uploaded. (Expect this to take a few months based on past experience - we only have volunteers!)
On 28 August 2013 18:18, Quiddity pandiculation@gmail.com wrote:
Nkansah Rexford wrote:
Please, can I get a link to watch some of the WMHK videos online? Or they're not yet out?
rex
I too would love to see the videos. Is there any news on where they're at? The people who couldn't attend Wikimania, and the people who were attending other sessions in the same timeslot, would all benefit so very much!
The schedule page could be an awesome Table of Contents, but currently it leads to a lot of "teasers"... https://wikimania2013.**wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedulehttps://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule
Also Slides - Much thanks to those of you who've added your slides! If you haven't yet, please do so. If they're uploaded elsewhere, please also add them to commons (for future preservation, in case prezi etc disappear), and group them in https://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Category:Wikimania_2013_** presentation_slideshttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2013_presentation_slides
Thanks! Quiddity
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2TB? So you're gonna dump all that on WM Commons? For who to watch?
In fact, all those videos can be stripped down to less than 100 Gig (even down to 50Gig).
No end viewer will enjoy watching an hour of conference presentations worth 50 Gig
Who's responsible for bringing these videos down-to-earth for end-viewers? Volunteers?
rex
On Thursday, August 29, 2013, Deryck Chan wrote:
Osmar, Rex, et al,
At the moment all we have is a 2TB hard disk of all the videos, unedited and unsorted. (Now I can let all your questions answer themselves.)
Deryck Hi Deryck. Can we upload some of the videos to Commons in the meantime? The streaming doesn't say how the videos are licensed so we can't use them (or part of them) yet.
*Osmar Valdebenito G.* Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
2013/8/28 Deryck Chan <deryckchan@gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'deryckchan@gmail.com');>>
All the sessions held in the Jockey Club Auditorium are still available on livestream: http://new.livestream.com/socreclive/wikimania
The other sessions have been recorded but will take some time to be uploaded. (Expect this to take a few months based on past experience - we only have volunteers!)
On 28 August 2013 18:18, Quiddity <pandiculation@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'pandiculation@gmail.com');>
wrote:
Nkansah Rexford wrote:
Please, can I get a link to watch some of the WMHK videos online? Or they're not yet out?
rex
I too would love to see the videos. Is there any news on where they're at? The people who couldn't attend Wikimania, and the people who were attending other sessions in the same timeslot, would all benefit so very much!
The schedule page could be an awesome Table of Contents, but currently it leads to a lot of "teasers"... https://wikimania2013.**wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedulehttps://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule
Also Slides - Much thanks to those of you who've added your slides! If you haven't yet, please do so. If they're uploaded elsewhere, please also add them to commons (for future preservation, in case prezi etc disappear), and group them in https://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Category:Wikimania_2013_** presentation_slideshttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2013_presentation_slides
Thanks! Quiddity
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2TB? So you're gonna dump all that on WM Commons? For who to watch?
In fact, all those videos can be stripped down to less than 100 Gig (even down to 50Gig).
No end viewer will enjoy watching an hour of conference presentations worth 50 Gig
Who's responsible for bringing these videos down-to-earth for end-viewers? Volunteers?
rex
On Thursday, August 29, 2013, Deryck Chan wrote:
Osmar, Rex, et al,
At the moment all we have is a 2TB hard disk of all the videos, unedited and unsorted. (Now I can let all your questions answer themselves.)
Deryck Hi Deryck. Can we upload some of the videos to Commons in the meantime? The streaming doesn't say how the videos are licensed so we can't use them (or part of them) yet.
*Osmar Valdebenito G.* Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
2013/8/28 Deryck Chan <deryckchan@gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'deryckchan@gmail.com');>>
All the sessions held in the Jockey Club Auditorium are still available on livestream: http://new.livestream.com/socreclive/wikimania
The other sessions have been recorded but will take some time to be uploaded. (Expect this to take a few months based on past experience - we only have volunteers!)
On 28 August 2013 18:18, Quiddity <pandiculation@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'pandiculation@gmail.com');>
wrote:
Nkansah Rexford wrote:
Please, can I get a link to watch some of the WMHK videos online? Or they're not yet out?
rex
I too would love to see the videos. Is there any news on where they're at? The people who couldn't attend Wikimania, and the people who were attending other sessions in the same timeslot, would all benefit so very much!
The schedule page could be an awesome Table of Contents, but currently it leads to a lot of "teasers"... https://wikimania2013.**wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedulehttps://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule
Also Slides - Much thanks to those of you who've added your slides! If you haven't yet, please do so. If they're uploaded elsewhere, please also add them to commons (for future preservation, in case prezi etc disappear), and group them in https://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Category:Wikimania_2013_** presentation_slideshttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2013_presentation_slides
Thanks! Quiddity
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Dear Rex,
please tone down a little bit. The 2 Terabyte is the raw video. Once it is encoded, it will be a different size. And once it is on Commons, you can download it in multiple qualities automatically. However, the fact that it is 2 TB says something about how hard it is to transfer, how much video we're talking about, and how much work there is to be done. While I appreciate that you love to watch the videos (we all do), I urge you to consider that right now, it is a group of volunteers doing their best to manage things, after a very exhausting number of months organizing Wikimania. They do their best - keep your suggestions constructive please.
Thanks,
Lodewijk
2013/8/29 Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com
2TB? So you're gonna dump all that on WM Commons? For who to watch?
In fact, all those videos can be stripped down to less than 100 Gig (even down to 50Gig).
No end viewer will enjoy watching an hour of conference presentations worth 50 Gig
Who's responsible for bringing these videos down-to-earth for end-viewers? Volunteers?
rex
On Thursday, August 29, 2013, Deryck Chan wrote:
Osmar, Rex, et al,
At the moment all we have is a 2TB hard disk of all the videos, unedited and unsorted. (Now I can let all your questions answer themselves.)
Deryck Hi Deryck. Can we upload some of the videos to Commons in the meantime? The streaming doesn't say how the videos are licensed so we can't use them (or part of them) yet.
*Osmar Valdebenito G.* Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
2013/8/28 Deryck Chan deryckchan@gmail.com
All the sessions held in the Jockey Club Auditorium are still available on livestream: http://new.livestream.com/socreclive/wikimania
The other sessions have been recorded but will take some time to be uploaded. (Expect this to take a few months based on past experience - we only have volunteers!)
On 28 August 2013 18:18, Quiddity pandiculation@gmail.com wrote:
Nkansah Rexford wrote:
Please, can I get a link to watch some of the WMHK videos online? Or they're not yet out?
rex
I too would love to see the videos. Is there any news on where they're at? The people who couldn't attend Wikimania, and the people who were attending other sessions in the same timeslot, would all benefit so very much!
The schedule page could be an awesome Table of Contents, but currently it leads to a lot of "teasers"... https://wikimania2013.**wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedulehttps://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule
Also Slides - Much thanks to those of you who've added your slides! If you haven't yet, please do so. If they're uploaded elsewhere, please also add them to commons (for future preservation, in case prezi etc disappear), and group them in https://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Category:Wikimania_2013_** presentation_slideshttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2013_presentation_slides
Thanks! Quiddity
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