Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
Gordo
I'm not specially shocked. In France we have a video game retail company called Micromania (based on microcomputer and mania), who targeted video game player (I don't think the name of the company is confused by anyone as a medical condition or an insult).
Long time ago I heard a good joke about the naming of the conference: it should be called the Wikimedia Conference and what is call now the Wikimedia Conference should probably be called Wikimania
2016-11-03 13:28 GMT+01:00 Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com:
Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
Gordo
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy
On 03 Nov 2016, at 13:52, Pierre-Selim pierre-selim@huard.info wrote:
I'm not specially shocked. In France we have a video game retail company called Micromania (based on microcomputer and mania), who targeted video game player (I don't think the name of the company is confused by anyone as a medical condition or an insult).
Long time ago I heard a good joke about the naming of the conference: it should be called the Wikimedia Conference and what is call now the Wikimedia Conference should probably be called Wikimania
2016-11-03 13:28 GMT+01:00 Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com:
Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
Gordo
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"Mania" is not a word where the meaning has completely changed, and is still evidently used in current psychiatry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania#References
A prescriptivist view of the word would be deciding what it *doesn't* mean, as much as what it *does*. Gordo is rightly pointing out that nowadays it just has more meanings, and has stigmatising qualities like the words "lame", "retard" etc. And we should think about that as a movement that tries to be inclusive.
Personally I've always thought that Wikimania needed a name change (Wikimedia Conference needs a name change too). WikiGlobal? WikiSummit? WikiFest?
S
On 3 November 2016 at 12:54, Stephan Schulz schulz@eprover.org wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy
On 03 Nov 2016, at 13:52, Pierre-Selim pierre-selim@huard.info wrote:
I'm not specially shocked. In France we have a video game retail company
called Micromania (based on microcomputer and mania), who targeted video game player (I don't think the name of the company is confused by anyone as a medical condition or an insult).
Long time ago I heard a good joke about the naming of the conference: it
should be called the Wikimedia Conference and what is call now the Wikimedia Conference should probably be called Wikimania
2016-11-03 13:28 GMT+01:00 Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com:
Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
Gordo
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Well, the idea of "-mania" meaning "collective outpouring of enthusiasm" rather than "mental illness" dates to at least the 1960s with Beatlemania, even if the original use of the formulation - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisztomania - was intended to have clinical meaning.
I am unaware of any actual objections to this usage from, for instance, psychiatrists or mental health organisations.
Chris
On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Stuart Prior stuart.prior@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
"Mania" is not a word where the meaning has completely changed, and is still evidently used in current psychiatry. https://en. wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania#References
A prescriptivist view of the word would be deciding what it *doesn't* mean, as much as what it *does*. Gordo is rightly pointing out that nowadays it just has more meanings, and has stigmatising qualities like the words "lame", "retard" etc. And we should think about that as a movement that tries to be inclusive.
Personally I've always thought that Wikimania needed a name change (Wikimedia Conference needs a name change too). WikiGlobal? WikiSummit? WikiFest?
S
On 3 November 2016 at 12:54, Stephan Schulz schulz@eprover.org wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy
On 03 Nov 2016, at 13:52, Pierre-Selim pierre-selim@huard.info wrote:
I'm not specially shocked. In France we have a video game retail
company called Micromania (based on microcomputer and mania), who targeted video game player (I don't think the name of the company is confused by anyone as a medical condition or an insult).
Long time ago I heard a good joke about the naming of the conference:
it should be called the Wikimedia Conference and what is call now the Wikimedia Conference should probably be called Wikimania
2016-11-03 13:28 GMT+01:00 Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com:
Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
Gordo
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Sorry for my bluntness, but... are we REALLY having this conversation? We're about to question our annual summit's name after 12 editions? Is it really a problem?
L.
Il 03 nov 2016 14:29, "Chris Keating" chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com ha scritto:
Well, the idea of "-mania" meaning "collective outpouring of enthusiasm" rather than "mental illness" dates to at least the 1960s with Beatlemania, even if the original use of the formulation - https://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Lisztomania - was intended to have clinical meaning.
I am unaware of any actual objections to this usage from, for instance, psychiatrists or mental health organisations.
Chris
On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Stuart Prior < stuart.prior@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
"Mania" is not a word where the meaning has completely changed, and is still evidently used in current psychiatry. https://en.wikiped ia.org/wiki/Mania#References
A prescriptivist view of the word would be deciding what it *doesn't* mean, as much as what it *does*. Gordo is rightly pointing out that nowadays it just has more meanings, and has stigmatising qualities like the words "lame", "retard" etc. And we should think about that as a movement that tries to be inclusive.
Personally I've always thought that Wikimania needed a name change (Wikimedia Conference needs a name change too). WikiGlobal? WikiSummit? WikiFest?
S
On 3 November 2016 at 12:54, Stephan Schulz schulz@eprover.org wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy
On 03 Nov 2016, at 13:52, Pierre-Selim pierre-selim@huard.info
wrote:
I'm not specially shocked. In France we have a video game retail
company called Micromania (based on microcomputer and mania), who targeted video game player (I don't think the name of the company is confused by anyone as a medical condition or an insult).
Long time ago I heard a good joke about the naming of the conference:
it should be called the Wikimedia Conference and what is call now the Wikimedia Conference should probably be called Wikimania
2016-11-03 13:28 GMT+01:00 Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com:
Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
Gordo
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I think we haven't had this discussion for at least five years, so I guess it's fine to have it again. I don't feel a particular need to change either, but there's no other way to find out if many people do feel such need, than to have this discussion. I'm fine with people putting arguments together in a constructive fashion like this, and then after that, seeing whether there's a widely shared sentiment to change, based on that.
Lodewijk
2016-11-03 16:13 GMT+01:00 Luca Martinelli martinelliluca@gmail.com:
Sorry for my bluntness, but... are we REALLY having this conversation? We're about to question our annual summit's name after 12 editions? Is it really a problem?
L.
Il 03 nov 2016 14:29, "Chris Keating" chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com ha scritto:
Well, the idea of "-mania" meaning "collective outpouring of enthusiasm" rather than "mental illness" dates to at least the 1960s with Beatlemania, even if the original use of the formulation - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisztomania - was intended to have clinical meaning.
I am unaware of any actual objections to this usage from, for instance, psychiatrists or mental health organisations.
Chris
On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Stuart Prior < stuart.prior@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
"Mania" is not a word where the meaning has completely changed, and is still evidently used in current psychiatry. https://en.wikiped ia.org/wiki/Mania#References
A prescriptivist view of the word would be deciding what it *doesn't* mean, as much as what it *does*. Gordo is rightly pointing out that nowadays it just has more meanings, and has stigmatising qualities like the words "lame", "retard" etc. And we should think about that as a movement that tries to be inclusive.
Personally I've always thought that Wikimania needed a name change (Wikimedia Conference needs a name change too). WikiGlobal? WikiSummit? WikiFest?
S
On 3 November 2016 at 12:54, Stephan Schulz schulz@eprover.org wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy
On 03 Nov 2016, at 13:52, Pierre-Selim pierre-selim@huard.info
wrote:
I'm not specially shocked. In France we have a video game retail
company called Micromania (based on microcomputer and mania), who targeted video game player (I don't think the name of the company is confused by anyone as a medical condition or an insult).
Long time ago I heard a good joke about the naming of the conference:
it should be called the Wikimedia Conference and what is call now the Wikimedia Conference should probably be called Wikimania
2016-11-03 13:28 GMT+01:00 Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com:
Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
Gordo
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A few years ago I worked for a multinational European company that decided to rebrand itself and get one company name that was equally inoffensive across Europe. After paying a brand naming company to look at the business and find a name that worked across all European languages we duly started the rebranding. Then one of the programmers went on this newfangled internet thingy and found that the domain had already been snaffled by a site that gave information about how to grow marijuana.
Moral of the story, getting a name that makes sense or at least isn't wildly inappropriate in multiple languages is a non trivial matter, and the more languages you have to worry about the more difficult it is. We have been focussed on English but Wikimania is a global event so any rebrand has to work on all languages.
Happy to change my mind if ISIS rebrands itself as WKImania or some country elects Ms Wickinamia as head of state.
Regards
WereSpielChequers
On 3 Nov 2016, at 15:26, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
I think we haven't had this discussion for at least five years, so I guess it's fine to have it again. I don't feel a particular need to change either, but there's no other way to find out if many people do feel such need, than to have this discussion. I'm fine with people putting arguments together in a constructive fashion like this, and then after that, seeing whether there's a widely shared sentiment to change, based on that.
Lodewijk
2016-11-03 16:13 GMT+01:00 Luca Martinelli martinelliluca@gmail.com:
Sorry for my bluntness, but... are we REALLY having this conversation? We're about to question our annual summit's name after 12 editions? Is it really a problem?
L.
Il 03 nov 2016 14:29, "Chris Keating" chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com ha scritto:
Well, the idea of "-mania" meaning "collective outpouring of enthusiasm" rather than "mental illness" dates to at least the 1960s with Beatlemania, even if the original use of the formulation - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisztomania - was intended to have clinical meaning.
I am unaware of any actual objections to this usage from, for instance, psychiatrists or mental health organisations.
Chris
On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Stuart Prior stuart.prior@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: "Mania" is not a word where the meaning has completely changed, and is still evidently used in current psychiatry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania#References
A prescriptivist view of the word would be deciding what it doesn't mean, as much as what it does. Gordo is rightly pointing out that nowadays it just has more meanings, and has stigmatising qualities like the words "lame", "retard" etc. And we should think about that as a movement that tries to be inclusive.
Personally I've always thought that Wikimania needed a name change (Wikimedia Conference needs a name change too). WikiGlobal? WikiSummit? WikiFest?
S
On 3 November 2016 at 12:54, Stephan Schulz schulz@eprover.org wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy
On 03 Nov 2016, at 13:52, Pierre-Selim pierre-selim@huard.info wrote:
I'm not specially shocked. In France we have a video game retail company called Micromania (based on microcomputer and mania), who targeted video game player (I don't think the name of the company is confused by anyone as a medical condition or an insult).
Long time ago I heard a good joke about the naming of the conference: it should be called the Wikimedia Conference and what is call now the Wikimedia Conference should probably be called Wikimania
2016-11-03 13:28 GMT+01:00 Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com:
Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
Gordo
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On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Luca Martinelli martinelliluca@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry for my bluntness, but... are we REALLY having this conversation? We're about to question our annual summit's name after 12 editions? Is it really a problem?
1. This isn’t a high traffic list. 2. You won’t know until you ask. 3. It’s good to be self-aware.
On 03/11/16 15:13, Luca Martinelli wrote:
Sorry for my bluntness, but... are we REALLY having this conversation? We're about to question our annual summit's name after 12 editions? Is it really a problem?
Yes.
I was prompted to make my plea, which I had tentatively made in the past few weeks, after hearing a radio programme about the terms used to describe (the symptoms of) mental ill health.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b080t8nq
*** How often do you use words like mad, crazy and schizophrenic in every day conversation? What impact does this have on people with mental health problems? To discuss this we brought together Niall Boyce, the Editor of the Lancet Psychiatry, linguist Dr Zsofia Demjen, and Clive Buckenham, an ambassador for Time to Change. ***
Another term that is also misused is "schizophrenic" (not a split personality, but a serious mental illness). Which by a similar logic is OK since it has been used a very large number of times in conversation?
OCD is also used incorrectly.
Wikimania correctly concerns itself with the diversity of participants. Sexual orientation, gender, physical disability and mental illness and more. My assertion is that we should change the name, even if is it just a minority who feel that is not correct and proper (in the year 2016). Many terms used in the past are now not considered appropriate.
Gordo
P.S. I was at Frankfurt, for the first Wikimania Conference.
Il 04 nov 2016 21:29, "Gordon Joly" gordon.joly@pobox.com ha scritto:
On 03/11/16 15:13, Luca Martinelli wrote:
Sorry for my bluntness, but... are we REALLY having this conversation? We're about to question our annual summit's name after 12 editions? Is it really a problem?
Yes.
I was prompted to make my plea, which I had tentatively made in the past few weeks, after hearing a radio programme about the terms used to describe (the symptoms of) mental ill health.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b080t8nq
How often do you use words like mad, crazy and schizophrenic in every day conversation? What impact does this have on people with mental health problems? To discuss this we brought together Niall Boyce, the Editor of the Lancet Psychiatry, linguist Dr Zsofia Demjen, and Clive Buckenham, an ambassador for Time to Change.
Another term that is also misused is "schizophrenic" (not a split personality, but a serious mental illness). Which by a similar logic is OK since it has been used a very large number of times in conversation?
OCD is also used incorrectly.
Wikimania correctly concerns itself with the diversity of participants. Sexual orientation, gender, physical disability and mental illness and more. My assertion is that we should change the name, even if is it just a minority who feel that is not correct and proper (in the year 2016). Many terms used in the past are now not considered appropriate.
Gordo
P.S. I was at Frankfurt, for the first Wikimania Conference.
I respectfully disagree. The "-mania" suffix is used in tons of non-medical situations to describe a frenzy, a buzz about something, it's a well established metaphor. Think of "Beatlesmania": nobody will think of it as a *real* disease, though some old-fashioned columnist would have thought it to be so.
I'll give you another example: a famous journalist, back in the days, wrote an op-ed to criticize football fans, comparing their "mania" to typhoid fever. Guess what term we use to describe football fans in Italy? "Tifosi", which can be loosely translated as "sick from typhus". Everybody uses that word, virtually nobody knows the backstory - but AFAIK nobody underestimated the threat of endemic illnesses in Italy because of that.
I get your point in being respectful towards people who suffer of diseases, but my humble opinion is that this discussion won't conclude anything, and on a lesser level that there is no compelling reason why we should change. Thus, my disillusioned mail.
L.
On 04/11/16 21:20, Luca Martinelli wrote:
I respectfully disagree. The "-mania" suffix is used in tons of non-medical situations to describe a frenzy, a buzz about something, it's a well established metaphor. Think of "Beatlesmania": nobody will think of it as a *real* disease, though some old-fashioned columnist would have thought it to be so.
Yes, I understand your point. But the Wikimedia movement does have the aim of veracity at the core.
Gordo
There is a project on "Mental health within the community"
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Mental_health_within_the_comm...
Wonder if there is any crossover.
Gordo
Just did a quick google search for the word 'Mania'. The definition I got is interesting.
I think with such a definition, it is REALLY worth it having a conversation relating to the name.
Wiki-mental-illness? Like seriously? All these years? For someone like myself who the word 'mania' never crossed the mind to find the meaning, the term 'Wikimania' didn't mean anything except a conference for Wikimedians around the world in general.
But looking up the word paints a whole new picture. Like seriously?
Mania: "mental illness marked by periods of great excitement, euphoria, delusions, and overactivity."
Woow.
On Thursday, November 3, 2016, Luca Martinelli martinelliluca@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry for my bluntness, but... are we REALLY having this conversation? We're about to question our annual summit's name after 12 editions? Is it really a problem?
L.
Il 03 nov 2016 14:29, "Chris Keating" chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com ha scritto:
Well, the idea of "-mania" meaning "collective outpouring of enthusiasm" rather than "mental illness" dates to at least the 1960s with Beatlemania, even if the original use of the formulation - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisztomania - was intended to have clinical meaning.
I am unaware of any actual objections to this usage from, for instance, psychiatrists or mental health organisations.
Chris
On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Stuart Prior < stuart.prior@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
"Mania" is not a word where the meaning has completely changed, and is still evidently used in current psychiatry. https://en.wikiped ia.org/wiki/Mania#References
A prescriptivist view of the word would be deciding what it *doesn't* mean, as much as what it *does*. Gordo is rightly pointing out that nowadays it just has more meanings, and has stigmatising qualities like the words "lame", "retard" etc. And we should think about that as a movement that tries to be inclusive.
Personally I've always thought that Wikimania needed a name change (Wikimedia Conference needs a name change too). WikiGlobal? WikiSummit? WikiFest?
S
On 3 November 2016 at 12:54, Stephan Schulz schulz@eprover.org wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy
On 03 Nov 2016, at 13:52, Pierre-Selim pierre-selim@huard.info
wrote:
I'm not specially shocked. In France we have a video game retail
company called Micromania (based on microcomputer and mania), who targeted video game player (I don't think the name of the company is confused by anyone as a medical condition or an insult).
Long time ago I heard a good joke about the naming of the conference:
it should be called the Wikimedia Conference and what is call now the Wikimedia Conference should probably be called Wikimania
2016-11-03 13:28 GMT+01:00 Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com:
Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
Gordo
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Am 04.11.2016 um 22:34 schrieb Nkansah Rexford:
Mania: "mental illness marked by periods of great excitement, euphoria, delusions, and overactivity."
Second meaning: "extreme enthusiasm for something that is usually shared by many people". -- http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mania
Sounds about right to me...
From Wikipedia article about Beatlemania:
"The use of the word mania to describe fandom pre-dates the Beatles by more than 100 years. Beginning in 1841, fans of Hungarian pianist and composer Franz Liszt showed a level of fanaticism similar to the Beatles. Poet Heinrich Heine coined the word "Lisztomania" to describe this...The term later became the name of various tribute bands dedicated to singing the songs of the Beatles, many with impersonators of the group.[19][20] The term has had a number of derivatives with the suffix "mania", usually short-lived, to describe a similar phenomenon toward other bands, such as "Rollermania"[21] in the early 1970s for the Scottish band Bay City Rollers, "Menudomanía" in the 1980s to describe frenzy across Latin America for the boyband Menudo, "Spicemania" in the 1990s[22][23] for the Spice Girls and "Jedwardmania" in the 2010s for Jedward. More recently, the "mania" suffix is often placed at the end of sports figures' names when they acquire sudden popularity, such as Hulkamania during the professional wrestling career of Hulk Hogan, or "Tebowmania" for football player Tim Tebow in 2011. It is also used to describe the following of other public figures, such as politician Jeremy Corbyn - Corbynmania - at the height of his popularity, as well as actor Leonardo DiCaprio - Leomania - in the period following his breakthrough performance in the hit film Titanic.[24]"
2016-11-04 17:37 GMT-04:00 Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinzler@wikimedia.de:
Am 04.11.2016 um 22:34 schrieb Nkansah Rexford:
Mania: "mental illness marked by periods of great excitement, euphoria, delusions, and overactivity."
Second meaning: "extreme enthusiasm for something that is usually shared by many people". -- http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mania
Sounds about right to me...
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A word on process:
quite apart from the fact we've had this conversation before (it's fine to have it again, as Lodewijk says), what bothers me is that there is *no clear way it could have a result*. There is no identified group or person empowered with deciding on a name change, so however persuasive your arguments might be, on either side, this conversation is doomed to end the way all the others had: with zero change.
It seems to me that the only way the name would ever change is if some year's *hosting team* were to decide to change it. They would be able to de-facto determine the name of the conference and literally effect it, in branding, merchandise, etc. It follows that if you want change, you should focus on advocating to the Montreal team, or to a future year's team, once determined.
A.
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:40 PM Nicholas Michael Bashour < nicholasbashour@gmail.com> wrote:
From Wikipedia article about Beatlemania:
"The use of the word mania to describe fandom pre-dates the Beatles by more than 100 years. Beginning in 1841, fans of Hungarian pianist and composer Franz Liszt showed a level of fanaticism similar to the Beatles. Poet Heinrich Heine coined the word "Lisztomania" to describe this...The term later became the name of various tribute bands dedicated to singing the songs of the Beatles, many with impersonators of the group.[19][20] The term has had a number of derivatives with the suffix "mania", usually short-lived, to describe a similar phenomenon toward other bands, such as "Rollermania"[21] in the early 1970s for the Scottish band Bay City Rollers, "Menudomanía" in the 1980s to describe frenzy across Latin America for the boyband Menudo, "Spicemania" in the 1990s[22][23] for the Spice Girls and "Jedwardmania" in the 2010s for Jedward. More recently, the "mania" suffix is often placed at the end of sports figures' names when they acquire sudden popularity, such as Hulkamania during the professional wrestling career of Hulk Hogan, or "Tebowmania" for football player Tim Tebow in 2011. It is also used to describe the following of other public figures, such as politician Jeremy Corbyn - Corbynmania - at the height of his popularity, as well as actor Leonardo DiCaprio - Leomania - in the period following his breakthrough performance in the hit film Titanic.[24]"
2016-11-04 17:37 GMT-04:00 Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinzler@wikimedia.de:
Am 04.11.2016 um 22:34 schrieb Nkansah Rexford:
Mania: "mental illness marked by periods of great excitement, euphoria, delusions, and overactivity."
Second meaning: "extreme enthusiasm for something that is usually shared by many people". -- http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mania
Sounds about right to me...
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There is now the Wikimania Committee: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Committee Perhaps a decision/formal consultation on a name change could come from them, if they feel it's appropriate?
Personally, I've always been a bit uneasy with '-mania' for the reasons that Gordon identified - plus getting academics to take you seriously when you're saying you'll be attending a conference called 'Wikimania' is always a bit tricky (first there's the 'wiki' part, then the 'mania' part, then there's both combined!). So I think it's worth rethinking the name at some point.
BTW, "periods of great excitement, euphoria, delusions, and overactivity" probably describes quite a few Wikimedians!
Thanks, Mike
On 4 Nov 2016, at 20:37, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
A word on process:
quite apart from the fact we've had this conversation before (it's fine to have it again, as Lodewijk says), what bothers me is that there is *no clear way it could have a result*. There is no identified group or person empowered with deciding on a name change, so however persuasive your arguments might be, on either side, this conversation is doomed to end the way all the others had: with zero change.
It seems to me that the only way the name would ever change is if some year's *hosting team* were to decide to change it. They would be able to de-facto determine the name of the conference and literally effect it, in branding, merchandise, etc. It follows that if you want change, you should focus on advocating to the Montreal team, or to a future year's team, once determined.
A.On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:40 PM Nicholas Michael Bashour <nicholasbashour@gmail.com mailto:nicholasbashour@gmail.com> wrote: From Wikipedia article about Beatlemania:
"The use of the word mania to describe fandom pre-dates the Beatles by more than 100 years. Beginning in 1841, fans of Hungarian pianist and composer Franz Liszt showed a level of fanaticism similar to the Beatles. Poet Heinrich Heine coined the word "Lisztomania" to describe this...The term later became the name of various tribute bands dedicated to singing the songs of the Beatles, many with impersonators of the group.[19][20] The term has had a number of derivatives with the suffix "mania", usually short-lived, to describe a similar phenomenon toward other bands, such as "Rollermania"[21] in the early 1970s for the Scottish band Bay City Rollers, "Menudomanía" in the 1980s to describe frenzy across Latin America for the boyband Menudo, "Spicemania" in the 1990s[22][23] for the Spice Girls and "Jedwardmania" in the 2010s for Jedward. More recently, the "mania" suffix is often placed at the end of sports figures' names when they acquire sudden popularity, such as Hulkamania during the professional wrestling career of Hulk Hogan, or "Tebowmania" for football player Tim Tebow in 2011. It is also used to describe the following of other public figures, such as politician Jeremy Corbyn - Corbynmania - at the height of his popularity, as well as actor Leonardo DiCaprio - Leomania - in the period following his breakthrough performance in the hit film Titanic.[24]"
2016-11-04 17:37 GMT-04:00 Daniel Kinzler <daniel.kinzler@wikimedia.de mailto:daniel.kinzler@wikimedia.de>: Am 04.11.2016 um 22:34 schrieb Nkansah Rexford:
Mania: "mental illness marked by periods of great excitement, euphoria, delusions, and overactivity."
Second meaning: "extreme enthusiasm for something that is usually shared by many people". -- http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mania http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mania
Sounds about right to me...
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Just to subscribe what Mike says. It has always been awkward to approach academics or any potential extra-Wikimedia speaker/attendee and having to explain that *despite its name* Wikimania tries to be a serious conference (I remember for instance when we organized Wikimania 2009 in Buenos Aires, but not only). I've always thought that it was too much of a subtle and secondary topic to raise it, but seeing that many people share the same concerns perhaps it's something the Wikimania Committee could consider.
Best,
Galileo
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
There is now the Wikimania Committee: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Committee Perhaps a decision/formal consultation on a name change could come from them, if they feel it's appropriate?
Personally, I've always been a bit uneasy with '-mania' for the reasons that Gordon identified - plus getting academics to take you seriously when you're saying you'll be attending a conference called 'Wikimania' is always a bit tricky (first there's the 'wiki' part, then the 'mania' part, then there's both combined!). So I think it's worth rethinking the name at some point.
BTW, "periods of great excitement, euphoria, delusions, and overactivity" probably describes quite a few Wikimedians!
Thanks, Mike
On 4 Nov 2016, at 20:37, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
A word on process:
quite apart from the fact we've had this conversation before (it's fine to have it again, as Lodewijk says), what bothers me is that there is *no clear way it could have a result*. There is no identified group or person empowered with deciding on a name change, so however persuasive your arguments might be, on either side, this conversation is doomed to end the way all the others had: with zero change.
It seems to me that the only way the name would ever change is if some year's *hosting team* were to decide to change it. They would be able to de-facto determine the name of the conference and literally effect it, in branding, merchandise, etc. It follows that if you want change, you should focus on advocating to the Montreal team, or to a future year's team, once determined.
A.On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:40 PM Nicholas Michael Bashour < nicholasbashour@gmail.com> wrote:
From Wikipedia article about Beatlemania:
"The use of the word mania to describe fandom pre-dates the Beatles by more than 100 years. Beginning in 1841, fans of Hungarian pianist and composer Franz Liszt showed a level of fanaticism similar to the Beatles. Poet Heinrich Heine coined the word "Lisztomania" to describe this...The term later became the name of various tribute bands dedicated to singing the songs of the Beatles, many with impersonators of the group.[19][20] The term has had a number of derivatives with the suffix "mania", usually short-lived, to describe a similar phenomenon toward other bands, such as "Rollermania"[21] in the early 1970s for the Scottish band Bay City Rollers, "Menudomanía" in the 1980s to describe frenzy across Latin America for the boyband Menudo, "Spicemania" in the 1990s[22][23] for the Spice Girls and "Jedwardmania" in the 2010s for Jedward. More recently, the "mania" suffix is often placed at the end of sports figures' names when they acquire sudden popularity, such as Hulkamania during the professional wrestling career of Hulk Hogan, or "Tebowmania" for football player Tim Tebow in 2011. It is also used to describe the following of other public figures, such as politician Jeremy Corbyn - Corbynmania - at the height of his popularity, as well as actor Leonardo DiCaprio - Leomania - in the period following his breakthrough performance in the hit film Titanic.[24]"
2016-11-04 17:37 GMT-04:00 Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinzler@wikimedia.de:
Am 04.11.2016 um 22:34 schrieb Nkansah Rexford:
Mania: "mental illness marked by periods of great excitement, euphoria, delusions, and overactivity."
Second meaning: "extreme enthusiasm for something that is usually shared by many people". -- http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mania
Sounds about right to me...
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On 04/11/16 21:37, Daniel Kinzler wrote:
Am 04.11.2016 um 22:34 schrieb Nkansah Rexford:
Mania: "mental illness marked by periods of great excitement, euphoria, delusions, and overactivity."
Second meaning: "extreme enthusiasm for something that is usually shared by many people". -- http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mania
Sounds about right to me...
This where we came in?
:-)
Gordo
On 04/11/16 21:34, Nkansah Rexford wrote:
Just did a quick google search for the word 'Mania'. The definition I got is interesting.
I think with such a definition, it is REALLY worth it having a conversation relating to the name.
Wiki-mental-illness? Like seriously? All these years? For someone like myself who the word 'mania' never crossed the mind to find the meaning, the term 'Wikimania' didn't mean anything except a conference for Wikimedians around the world in general.
But looking up the word paints a whole new picture. Like seriously?
Mania: "mental illness marked by periods of great excitement, euphoria, delusions, and overactivity."
Woow.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mania
Seems quite complex?
Gordo
On 03/11/16 12:54, Stephan Schulz wrote:
http://www.biopsychinstitute.com/psychiatric-disorders/mania
Gordo
Wikimania is a name that does not make any sense for Spanish speaking languages. In Mexico we have notice about use of the word maybe for Wrestlemania recent popularity, but is not a usual call "mania" as US or Europe an event or whatever.
Best,
El viernes, 4 de noviembre de 2016, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com escribió:
On 03/11/16 12:54, Stephan Schulz wrote:
http://www.biopsychinstitute.com/psychiatric-disorders/mania
Gordo
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I don’t have a personal problem with Wikimania as a name, but there are some liabilities:
1. It isn’t terribly descriptive of the event we hold, as it is a pretty standard conference with session proposals, meetings and training. Occasionally, it will go “mania” with some more innovative and offbeat ideas.
2. On first glance, the name isn’t very professional sounding. So it may be hard to convince one’s boss or academic head to fund travel or time off to attend the premier conference for the Wikimedia community.
In the US, we’ve gone with “Wikiconference” as the name for the national/regional gathering. https://wikiconference.org
-Andrew
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On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
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Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called it "The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.
- On first glance, the name isn’t very professional sounding. So it may
be hard to convince one’s boss or academic head to fund travel or time off to attend the premier conference for the Wikimedia community.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
Gordo
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I still think this topic would benefit from input on branding from WMF Communications; perhaps Samantha could be a resource since Zach seems to be unavailable?
Also, hopefully Ellie can incorporate this branding issue into her discussion of Wikimania strategy with other folks at WMF.
Pine
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 07/11/16 14:04, Edward Saperia wrote:
Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called it "The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.
Not quite a catchy?
:-)
Gordo
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Gentle reminder that tomorrow is a public holiday in the United States. The majority of the Foundation will not be working.
Joe
On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 at 00:13 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
I still think this topic would benefit from input on branding from WMF Communications; perhaps Samantha could be a resource since Zach seems to be unavailable?
Also, hopefully Ellie can incorporate this branding issue into her discussion of Wikimania strategy with other folks at WMF.
Pine
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 07/11/16 14:04, Edward Saperia wrote:
Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called it "The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.
Not quite a catchy?
:-)
Gordo
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Argh, thanks. I forgot about that. (I live in the states I will be working tomorrow.)
Pine
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:23 AM, Joseph Fox josephfoxwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Gentle reminder that tomorrow is a public holiday in the United States. The majority of the Foundation will not be working.
Joe
On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 at 00:13 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
I still think this topic would benefit from input on branding from WMF Communications; perhaps Samantha could be a resource since Zach seems to be unavailable?
Also, hopefully Ellie can incorporate this branding issue into her discussion of Wikimania strategy with other folks at WMF.
Pine
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 07/11/16 14:04, Edward Saperia wrote:
Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called it "The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.
Not quite a catchy?
:-)
Gordo
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