Ironically, that doesn't fit in this case, because the monkey doesn't hold
the copyright :)
As to your other point, that's one of my most hated arguments we band
around on Wikimedia projects. Its really not conducive to attracting anyone.
The point is, we've taken a stance on a point of copyright. Its not
appropriate to be rude or unpleasant about it, unless that's the image you
wish to portray.
I know it's in fun, but that's not really an excuse. Ultimately there is a
photographer who is unhappy about that point, and it a) only serves go make
him more unhappy for no purpose (which is obnoxious) and b) damages our
perception in the public eye as making a serious point. Instead we risk
coming off being lumped in with the copyright infringers (pirate bay etc.)
And trolls.
Tom
On 9 Aug 2014 02:00, "Fabian Tompsett" <fabian.tompsett(a)wikimedia.org.uk>
wrote:
I am sorry but I do not quite get Tom and Craig's
point here. It's not
about "winning" and am not sure why you suggest that the selfie's involve
mockery and derision.
The image of the monkey constitutes a very old archetype
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_archetypes> dating back to ancient
Egypt, where the monkey was known as Thoth
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoth>. According to Wikipedia, the Greeks
"he was the true author of every work of every branch of knowledge, human
and divine." An interesting take on copyright: the monkey takes it all!
In fact the putative £10,000 lost revenue Slater claims he has lost, was
always speculative. I reckon the publicity he has gained is more than
adequate recompense, and maybe he was aware of the weakness of case and
gaining the publicity was his purpose in taking the action.
all the best
Fabian Tompsett,
Wikimania Support Team,
Wikimedia UK,
Address: 56-64 Leonard St,
Shoreditch,
London EC2A 4LT
Phone:020 7065 0991
Mobile: 07548 103787
On 9 August 2014 01:37, Craig Franklin <craig(a)halo-17.net> wrote:
I agree with Tom here, I find the whole monkey
selfie thing to be rather
tasteless and disrespectful. You might not agree with the arguments the
photographer makes (and I don't), but there's no need for mockery and
derision.
Cheers,
Craig
On 9 August 2014 08:24, Thomas Morton <morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com>
wrote:
I find this a bit distasteful, rather akin to
rubbing it in the
photographers face.
Its fine to take a stand on a point of copyright.
But being dicks about winning is surely not the sort of attitude we want
to display? Hardly helps support our stance as serious, rather than
trollish.
Tom
On 8 Aug 2014 22:54, "Gordon Joly" <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote:
On 08/08/14 12:44, Fabian Tompsett wrote:
>
>
> *Simia Autoritratta*
Yeah, like Robert Mapplethorpe?
Gordo
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