I agree with Tom here, I find the whole monkey selfie thing to be rather tasteless and disrespectful. You might not agree with the arguments the photographer makes (and I don't), but there's no need for mockery and derision.
Cheers, Craig
On 9 August 2014 08:24, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
I find this a bit distasteful, rather akin to rubbing it in the photographers face.
Its fine to take a stand on a point of copyright.
But being dicks about winning is surely not the sort of attitude we want to display? Hardly helps support our stance as serious, rather than trollish.
Tom On 8 Aug 2014 22:54, "Gordon Joly" gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 08/08/14 12:44, Fabian Tompsett wrote:
*Simia Autoritratta*
Yeah, like Robert Mapplethorpe?
Gordo
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I am sorry but I do not quite get Tom and Craig's point here. It's not about "winning" and am not sure why you suggest that the selfie's involve mockery and derision.
The image of the monkey constitutes a very old archetype https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_archetypes dating back to ancient Egypt, where the monkey was known as Thoth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoth. According to Wikipedia, the Greeks "he was the true author of every work of every branch of knowledge, human and divine." An interesting take on copyright: the monkey takes it all!
In fact the putative £10,000 lost revenue Slater claims he has lost, was always speculative. I reckon the publicity he has gained is more than adequate recompense, and maybe he was aware of the weakness of case and gaining the publicity was his purpose in taking the action.
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On 9 August 2014 01:37, Craig Franklin craig@halo-17.net wrote:
I agree with Tom here, I find the whole monkey selfie thing to be rather tasteless and disrespectful. You might not agree with the arguments the photographer makes (and I don't), but there's no need for mockery and derision.
Cheers, Craig
On 9 August 2014 08:24, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
I find this a bit distasteful, rather akin to rubbing it in the photographers face.
Its fine to take a stand on a point of copyright.
But being dicks about winning is surely not the sort of attitude we want to display? Hardly helps support our stance as serious, rather than trollish.
Tom On 8 Aug 2014 22:54, "Gordon Joly" gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 08/08/14 12:44, Fabian Tompsett wrote:
*Simia Autoritratta*
Yeah, like Robert Mapplethorpe?
Gordo
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Ironically, that doesn't fit in this case, because the monkey doesn't hold the copyright :)
As to your other point, that's one of my most hated arguments we band around on Wikimedia projects. Its really not conducive to attracting anyone.
The point is, we've taken a stance on a point of copyright. Its not appropriate to be rude or unpleasant about it, unless that's the image you wish to portray.
I know it's in fun, but that's not really an excuse. Ultimately there is a photographer who is unhappy about that point, and it a) only serves go make him more unhappy for no purpose (which is obnoxious) and b) damages our perception in the public eye as making a serious point. Instead we risk coming off being lumped in with the copyright infringers (pirate bay etc.) And trolls.
Tom On 9 Aug 2014 02:00, "Fabian Tompsett" fabian.tompsett@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
I am sorry but I do not quite get Tom and Craig's point here. It's not about "winning" and am not sure why you suggest that the selfie's involve mockery and derision.
The image of the monkey constitutes a very old archetype https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_archetypes dating back to ancient Egypt, where the monkey was known as Thoth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoth. According to Wikipedia, the Greeks "he was the true author of every work of every branch of knowledge, human and divine." An interesting take on copyright: the monkey takes it all!
In fact the putative £10,000 lost revenue Slater claims he has lost, was always speculative. I reckon the publicity he has gained is more than adequate recompense, and maybe he was aware of the weakness of case and gaining the publicity was his purpose in taking the action.
all the best
Fabian Tompsett, Wikimania Support Team, Wikimedia UK, Address: 56-64 Leonard St, Shoreditch, London EC2A 4LT Phone:020 7065 0991 Mobile: 07548 103787
On 9 August 2014 01:37, Craig Franklin craig@halo-17.net wrote:
I agree with Tom here, I find the whole monkey selfie thing to be rather tasteless and disrespectful. You might not agree with the arguments the photographer makes (and I don't), but there's no need for mockery and derision.
Cheers, Craig
On 9 August 2014 08:24, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
I find this a bit distasteful, rather akin to rubbing it in the photographers face.
Its fine to take a stand on a point of copyright.
But being dicks about winning is surely not the sort of attitude we want to display? Hardly helps support our stance as serious, rather than trollish.
Tom On 8 Aug 2014 22:54, "Gordon Joly" gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 08/08/14 12:44, Fabian Tompsett wrote:
*Simia Autoritratta*
Yeah, like Robert Mapplethorpe?
Gordo
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