Dear Sir,
I am very sorry that I haven't receive the invitation letter yet. Also, I didn't received any reply even I sent request by email several times. I am afraid there's a problem with hotmail. If it is ready, would you please send it again to japan_dora@yahoo.co.jp, ka360@live.hk , thank you very much.
Really hope someone can help him as soon as posible! Thanks a lot!
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 12:36 AM, KA360 ka360@live.hk wrote:
Dear Sir,
I am very sorry that I haven't receive the invitation letter yet. Also, I didn't received any reply even I sent request by email several times. I am afraid there's a problem with hotmail. If it is ready, would you please send it again to japan_dora@yahoo.co.jp, ka360@live.hk , thank you very much.
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We all sympathise, but repeatedly posting to a public list after a) one of the organisers has indicated that he is dealing with it and b) you've been asked to take it *off* the public list is unlikely to help.
If you haven't had a reply within a reasonable amount of time (I'd say at least 24 hours to account for time zone differences), then email the organisers (note: not the public list) again.
Harry
________________________________ From: Shujen Chang i@blue.cat To: Wikimania general list (open subscription) wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, 9 June 2012, 17:55 Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa assistant
Really hope someone can help him as soon as posible! Thanks a lot!
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 12:36 AM, KA360 ka360@live.hk wrote:
Dear Sir,
I am very sorry that I haven't receive the invitation letter yet. Also, I didn't received any reply even I sent request by email several times. I am afraid there's a problem with hotmail. If it is ready, would you please send it again to japan_dora@yahoo.co.jp, ka360@live.hk , thank you very much.
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There is really no point sending loads of emails to the mailing list spread across several threads a few minutes apart. Please discuss this off-list with the people that have said they are sorting it.
On 9 June 2012 17:55, Shujen Chang i@blue.cat wrote:
Really hope someone can help him as soon as posible! Thanks a lot!
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 12:36 AM, KA360 ka360@live.hk wrote:
Dear Sir,
I am very sorry that I haven't receive the invitation letter yet. Also, I didn't received any reply even I sent request by email several times. I am afraid there's a problem with hotmail. If it is ready, would you please send it again to japan_dora@yahoo.co.jp, ka360@live.hk , thank you very much.
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-- Sincerely, Shujen Chang
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Althuogh I share the sentiment, I would like to point out that there is some time pressure here, and I can very well imagine that someone gets nervous that the promised documents didn't arrive. Unfortunately I heard from multiple sides that the off-list communication with the organizing team is 'sub-optimal', so perhaps there is a larger issue playing here. Not to blame anyone, but to keep in mind when responding to inquiries like this.
Lodewijk
2012/6/9 Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com
There is really no point sending loads of emails to the mailing list spread across several threads a few minutes apart. Please discuss this off-list with the people that have said they are sorting it.
On 9 June 2012 17:55, Shujen Chang i@blue.cat wrote:
Really hope someone can help him as soon as posible! Thanks a lot!
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 12:36 AM, KA360 ka360@live.hk wrote:
Dear Sir,
I am very sorry that I haven't receive the invitation letter yet. Also, I didn't received any reply even I sent request by email several times.
I
am afraid there's a problem with hotmail. If it is ready, would you please send it again to japan_dora@yahoo.co.jp, ka360@live.hk , thank you very much.
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-- Sincerely, Shujen Chang
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I received the invitation letter but unfortunately the name is incorrect. I replied the email with the details to wikimania-registration@wikimedia.org. Would you please check and reply, thank you very much.
From: Lodewijk Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:49 AM To: Wikimania general list (open subscription) Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa assistant
Althuogh I share the sentiment, I would like to point out that there is some time pressure here, and I can very well imagine that someone gets nervous that the promised documents didn't arrive. Unfortunately I heard from multiple sides that the off-list communication with the organizing team is 'sub-optimal', so perhaps there is a larger issue playing here. Not to blame anyone, but to keep in mind when responding to inquiries like this.
Lodewijk
2012/6/9 Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com
There is really no point sending loads of emails to the mailing list spread across several threads a few minutes apart. Please discuss this off-list with the people that have said they are sorting it.
On 9 June 2012 17:55, Shujen Chang i@blue.cat wrote:
Really hope someone can help him as soon as posible! Thanks a lot!
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 12:36 AM, KA360 ka360@live.hk wrote:
Dear Sir,
I am very sorry that I haven't receive the invitation letter yet. Also, I didn't received any reply even I sent request by email several times. I am afraid there's a problem with hotmail. If it is ready, would you please send it again to japan_dora@yahoo.co.jp, ka360@live.hk , thank you very much.
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-- Sincerely, Shujen Chang
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Visa problems seem to be a recurring theme at Wikimanias and indeed other international events that we run. Of course sometimes it will be members of the community underestimating how long things will take or leaving things to the last minute. I had visa problems going to the WikiConference India in 2011, our team on that one were amazingly helpful and rescued me from my tardiness. But other times I fear that it is the organisers who have underestimated how early we need to do things in order for everyone to participate.
When it comes to dates when we announce events, send out letters of invitation, have accommodation bookable and registration systems in place, the date should be early enough to allow for Wikimedians anywhere to get a visa (and not just if they apply on the day that registration opens and nothing slips by as much as 24 hours). My suspicion is that some events have been organised on the basis that >95% of potential attendees will be fine. But when it comes to making our international events international we should be aiming for 100%. That means performing a critical path analysis and scheduling things so that anyone who possibly could come will have time to get a visa, with contingency time for things going wrong, and for additional processes as some attendees will need time to book leave or seek grants.
Regards
WSC
On 9 June 2012 22:49, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Althuogh I share the sentiment, I would like to point out that there is some time pressure here, and I can very well imagine that someone gets nervous that the promised documents didn't arrive. Unfortunately I heard from multiple sides that the off-list communication with the organizing team is 'sub-optimal', so perhaps there is a larger issue playing here. Not to blame anyone, but to keep in mind when responding to inquiries like this.
Lodewijk
2012/6/9 Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com
There is really no point sending loads of emails to the mailing list spread across several threads a few minutes apart. Please discuss this off-list with the people that have said they are sorting it.
On 9 June 2012 17:55, Shujen Chang i@blue.cat wrote:
Really hope someone can help him as soon as posible! Thanks a lot!
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 12:36 AM, KA360 ka360@live.hk wrote:
Dear Sir,
I am very sorry that I haven't receive the invitation letter yet.
Also,
I didn't received any reply even I sent request by email several
times. I
am afraid there's a problem with hotmail. If it is ready, would you please send it again to japan_dora@yahoo.co.jp, ka360@live.hk , thank you very much.
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-- Sincerely, Shujen Chang
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It's not as though there was a date when we started writing invitation letters. I have been writing them as early as last year.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 10, 2012, at 3:52 AM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
Visa problems seem to be a recurring theme at Wikimanias and indeed other international events that we run. Of course sometimes it will be members of the community underestimating how long things will take or leaving things to the last minute. I had visa problems going to the WikiConference India in 2011, our team on that one were amazingly helpful and rescued me from my tardiness. But other times I fear that it is the organisers who have underestimated how early we need to do things in order for everyone to participate.
When it comes to dates when we announce events, send out letters of invitation, have accommodation bookable and registration systems in place, the date should be early enough to allow for Wikimedians anywhere to get a visa (and not just if they apply on the day that registration opens and nothing slips by as much as 24 hours). My suspicion is that some events have been organised on the basis that >95% of potential attendees will be fine. But when it comes to making our international events international we should be aiming for 100%. That means performing a critical path analysis and scheduling things so that anyone who possibly could come will have time to get a visa, with contingency time for things going wrong, and for additional processes as some attendees will need time to book leave or seek grants.
Regards
WSC
On 9 June 2012 22:49, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote: Althuogh I share the sentiment, I would like to point out that there is some time pressure here, and I can very well imagine that someone gets nervous that the promised documents didn't arrive. Unfortunately I heard from multiple sides that the off-list communication with the organizing team is 'sub-optimal', so perhaps there is a larger issue playing here. Not to blame anyone, but to keep in mind when responding to inquiries like this.
Lodewijk
2012/6/9 Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com There is really no point sending loads of emails to the mailing list spread across several threads a few minutes apart. Please discuss this off-list with the people that have said they are sorting it.
On 9 June 2012 17:55, Shujen Chang i@blue.cat wrote:
Really hope someone can help him as soon as posible! Thanks a lot!
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 12:36 AM, KA360 ka360@live.hk wrote:
Dear Sir,
I am very sorry that I haven't receive the invitation letter yet. Also, I didn't received any reply even I sent request by email several times. I am afraid there's a problem with hotmail. If it is ready, would you please send it again to japan_dora@yahoo.co.jp, ka360@live.hk , thank you very much.
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-- Sincerely, Shujen Chang
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The Wikimania system virtually assures that each event will be organized by first-time amateurs; hopefully Wikimanians will continue to keep that in mind and be sympathetic, as always, to the work of volunteers -- particularly since the end product is, by and large, quite good.
Nathan
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:52 AM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
Visa problems seem to be a recurring theme at Wikimanias and indeed other international events that we run. Of course sometimes it will be members of the community underestimating how long things will take or leaving things to the last minute. I had visa problems going to the WikiConference India in 2011, our team on that one were amazingly helpful and rescued me from my tardiness. But other times I fear that it is the organisers who have underestimated how early we need to do things in order for everyone to participate.
When it comes to dates when we announce events, send out letters of invitation, have accommodation bookable and registration systems in place, the date should be early enough to allow for Wikimedians anywhere to get a visa (and not just if they apply on the day that registration opens and nothing slips by as much as 24 hours). My suspicion is that some events have been organised on the basis that >95% of potential attendees will be fine. But when it comes to making our international events international we should be aiming for 100%. That means performing a critical path analysis and scheduling things so that anyone who possibly could come will have time to get a visa, with contingency time for things going wrong, and for additional processes as some attendees will need time to book leave or seek grants.
Regards
WSC
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