Hi all,
I've had a few people ask me where they can find a general overview of wikimania & what it's all about. Can someone please add such a page to this year's wiki? http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/
sources to draw on include the wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimania meta: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania and past wikimania wikis.
Currently there is only a two-line introduction in the FAQ. http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/FAQ Please help me remedy this! And reply to the list if you do start a page... thanks, Phoebe
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:34 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I've had a few people ask me where they can find a general overview of wikimania & what it's all about. Can someone please add such a page to this year's wiki? http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/
Wikimania should have only one wiki. Why not merge all in wikimania.org?
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Fajro faigos@gmail.com wrote:
Wikimania should have only one wiki. Why not merge all in wikimania.org?
In short:
* We don't own wikimania.org.
* Having separate wikis for each conference avoids quite a lot of unnecessary maintanance each year, such as archiving *every single page* and updating the user list.
Austin
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Fajro faigos@gmail.com wrote:
Wikimania should have only one wiki. Why not merge all in wikimania.org?
In short:
We don't own wikimania.org.
Having separate wikis for each conference avoids quite a lot of
unnecessary maintanance each year, such as archiving *every single page* and updating the user list.
Austin
Regardless.... I'm not sure there's a page like the one I'm talking about on *any* of the wikimania sites :)
-- phoebe
Austin Hair wrote:
- We don't own wikimania.org.
Who does? The registrant's name doesn't ring a bell. Of course wikimania.wikimedia.org would work just as well.
- Having separate wikis for each conference avoids quite a lot of
unnecessary maintanance each year, such as archiving *every single page* and updating the user list.
I'm not sure if creating a whole new empty wiki each year is really simpler. There are quite a lot of pages that are needed on every Wikimania wiki. Those are mostly templates and translated (placeholder) pages (e.g. "The Call for participation is not open yet").
For wikimania2010.wikimedia.org a confusing method was chosen – it seems parts of the database of 2009's wiki were copied to the new database (to be more specific: revisions of selected pages into the archive table). Logs weren't copied, which makes the whole thing even more confusing (I learned about this when I stumbled across an inconsistent undeletion action of a page which never existed).
How about the following: After each Wikimania, the database is forked into a new static wiki (it may remain open a while in case there are any follow-ups on the preceding Wikimania). It is locked and represents a snapshot of the original wiki at the time of a specific Wikimania. The actual wiki remains up-to-date, that means after a static fork has been created, all pages that are not required for future events are deleted. This shouldn't be too much work.
Regards,
Church of emacs
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:34 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I've had a few people ask me where they can find a general overview of wikimania & what it's all about. Can someone please add such a page to this year's wiki? http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/
There's a short "about" page, in Polish, at http://www.wikimania2010.pl/wiki/Konferencja_Wikimania
I'm not sure why http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org exists when most of the updates are happening at http://www.wikimania2010.pl/
wikimania2010.pl is the only wiki with any info for sponsors - http://www.wikimania2010.pl/wiki/Sponsorzy http://www.wikimania2010.pl/wiki/Zarys_programu/en is apparently where I should have looked when I was asking where this year's CfP was.
Should wikimania2010.wikimedia.org be redirected to wikimania2010.pl?
Angela
I thought it was agreed that the wikimania2010.wikimedia.org site would be the main one and the the .pl site was just for the organising team?
Seddon
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:34 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I've had a few people ask me where they can find a general overview of wikimania & what it's all about. Can someone please add such a page to this year's wiki? http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/
There's a short "about" page, in Polish, at http://www.wikimania2010.pl/wiki/Konferencja_Wikimania
I'm not sure why http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org exists when most of the updates are happening at http://www.wikimania2010.pl/
wikimania2010.pl is the only wiki with any info for sponsors - http://www.wikimania2010.pl/wiki/Sponsorzy http://www.wikimania2010.pl/wiki/Zarys_programu/en is apparently where I should have looked when I was asking where this year's CfP was.
Should wikimania2010.wikimedia.org be redirected to wikimania2010.pl?
Angela
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Actually no -- there has been discussion about this issue on the Polish organization list -- for now the sites mirror each other (or should), but there was talk of redirecting to wikimania2010.pl. We do need to consolidate. I don't know what the consensus on which site to use was. CC'ing Polimerek who has been working on this....
Phoebe
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Joseph Seddon josephseddon@googlemail.com wrote:
I thought it was agreed that the wikimania2010.wikimedia.org site would be the main one and the the .pl site was just for the organising team?
Seddon
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:34 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I've had a few people ask me where they can find a general overview of wikimania & what it's all about. Can someone please add such a page to this year's wiki? http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/
There's a short "about" page, in Polish, at http://www.wikimania2010.pl/wiki/Konferencja_Wikimania
I'm not sure why http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org exists when most of the updates are happening at http://www.wikimania2010.pl/
wikimania2010.pl is the only wiki with any info for sponsors - http://www.wikimania2010.pl/wiki/Sponsorzy http://www.wikimania2010.pl/wiki/Zarys_programu/en is apparently where I should have looked when I was asking where this year's CfP was.
Should wikimania2010.wikimedia.org be redirected to wikimania2010.pl?
Angela
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Hi Everybody,
I think "*Church of emacs" *is absolutely right in his ideas. We must adhere to it and also we must remember that since it is the Main webpage of the events we can at least add some hyperlinks with appropriate text so as to divert the incoming requests to the appropriate web-page. This will definitely help the audience to get their queries answered and also to get more and a clear picture about the intricacies of this conference.
Thanks & Regards,
-Pramukh
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On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 5:45 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com wrote:
Actually no -- there has been discussion about this issue on the Polish organization list -- for now the sites mirror each other (or should), but there was talk of redirecting to wikimania2010.pl. We do need to consolidate. I don't know what the consensus on which site to use was. CC'ing Polimerek who has been working on this....
Phoebe
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Joseph Seddon josephseddon@googlemail.com wrote:
I thought it was agreed that the wikimania2010.wikimedia.org site would
be
the main one and the the .pl site was just for the organising team?
Seddon
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:34 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I've had a few people ask me where they can find a general overview of wikimania & what it's all about. Can someone please add such a page to this year's wiki? http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/
There's a short "about" page, in Polish, at http://www.wikimania2010.pl/wiki/Konferencja_Wikimania
I'm not sure why http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org exists when most of the updates are happening at http://www.wikimania2010.pl/
wikimania2010.pl is the only wiki with any info for sponsors - http://www.wikimania2010.pl/wiki/Sponsorzy http://www.wikimania2010.pl/wiki/Zarys_programu/en is apparently where I should have looked when I was asking where this year's CfP was.
Should wikimania2010.wikimedia.org be redirected to wikimania2010.pl?
Angela
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2010/4/8 phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com:
Actually no -- there has been discussion about this issue on the Polish organization list -- for now the sites mirror each other (or should), but there was talk of redirecting to wikimania2010.pl. We do need to consolidate. I don't know what the consensus on which site to use was. CC'ing Polimerek who has been working on this....
I don't know either. Indeed the core team insists to have it all on *.pl site (and on the server belonging to Wikimedia Polska), but on the other hand there were strong sugesstions to have main wiki on Foundation servers. The good thing with Polish server is that it can be easily configured by organising team, and it is actually devoted to Wikimania only, but the bad thing is that it is rather not very secure old server and the internet connection is slow so it might not be sufficent to survive high traffic before and during Wikimania. The problem with Foundation's servers are that it is not possible to have direct admin-level access to it in order to reconfigure it.
We were talking about it with Phoebe and Sj during their visit in Poland, but I don't know the final decission. What I did a couple of days ago, was just transfering and making some structure of the basic information pages from meta-bid as I was asked by core team to do this. I did it on both wikis as it is not a big deal to copy-paste all that stuff from one to another, so no matter what the final decission is going to be my work won't be lost :-)
2010/4/8 Tomasz Ganicz polimerek@gmail.com:
The problem with Foundation's servers are that it is not possible to have direct admin-level access to it in order to reconfigure it.
Why would you need that? If this is just about MediaWiki configuration variables, you can just poke sysadmins in #wikimedia-tech and they'll change settings for you.
Roan Kattouw (Catrope)
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2010/4/8 Tomasz Ganicz polimerek@gmail.com:
The problem with Foundation's servers are that it is not possible to have direct admin-level access to it in order to reconfigure it.
Why would you need that? If this is just about MediaWiki configuration variables, you can just poke sysadmins in #wikimedia-tech and they'll change settings for you.
Roan Kattouw (Catrope)
I agree with Roan here. It takes nothing to reconfigure the wiki and changes can be done in minutes, generally. What we have here is a situation where some updates happen on one wiki, some on another, translations occurring haphazardly, and split Wikimania teams who are at a loss to coordinate with one another.
- -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation
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Hey fellows I have two questions: a) Is the scholarship available for individual persons or individual project. b) If it is for individual project then can more than one team member apply for scholarship.
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Tomasz Ganicz polimerek@gmail.com wrote:
2010/4/8 phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com:
Actually no -- there has been discussion about this issue on the Polish organization list -- for now the sites mirror each other (or should), but there was talk of redirecting to wikimania2010.pl. We do need to consolidate. I don't know what the consensus on which site to use was. CC'ing Polimerek who has been working on this....
I don't know either. Indeed the core team insists to have it all on *.pl site (and on the server belonging to Wikimedia Polska), but on the other hand there were strong sugesstions to have main wiki on Foundation servers. The good thing with Polish server is that it can be easily configured by organising team, and it is actually devoted to Wikimania only, but the bad thing is that it is rather not very secure old server and the internet connection is slow so it might not be sufficent to survive high traffic before and during Wikimania. The problem with Foundation's servers are that it is not possible to have direct admin-level access to it in order to reconfigure it.
We were talking about it with Phoebe and Sj during their visit in Poland, but I don't know the final decission. What I did a couple of days ago, was just transfering and making some structure of the basic information pages from meta-bid as I was asked by core team to do this. I did it on both wikis as it is not a big deal to copy-paste all that stuff from one to another, so no matter what the final decission is going to be my work won't be lost :-)
-- Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.ptchem.lodz.pl/en/TomaszGanicz.html
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