If true, others would be very interested in learning
what a '4 time
attendee' knows so they can also be accorded the opportunity to contribute
to this great endeavor next year and in the years to come. Much to learn.
Wishing all the best, it's going to be a great experience in Singapore.
On Mon, Jun 26, 2023, 21:23 Željko Blaće <zblace(a)mi2.hr> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 3:14 AM Gnangarra
<gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Zeljko
Your comment is uncalled for;
Hi Gnangarra. Firstly I did not make a comment but a question. It was
also towards someone who felt too busy to do edits *(which is fair, I do
also), but was regretting it publicly while doing a lot of work for a
friend that is interested to participate but also be very anxious over
multiple things that could be interpreted as transphobia.
scholarships are distributed according to many
varied criteria every
application is independently reviewed by the team.
I did not open the question of criteria, but if you feel like you wanna
share more as a person leading this work I would encourage you to do it
publicly and systematically on Wikimania pages.
Each application as scored is then compared
across the region maximising
the best candidates,
Interesting. So the list will have regional and national listings of
awardees?
Was it done that way before? Looking forward to see this info.
each year its been the COT that have decided what
criteria to focus on.
Interesting. I would think it was a mix of established norms and program
focus.
This year the criteria was collaboration through outreach, and developing
new communities because everyone contributes in
different ways.
Fascinating. I look forward to see people who do great work here and also
who are close runners up. I see myself primarily as Outreach person *(would
love to see Outreach wiki re-gain momentum) and really wanna know of people
that are even more enthusiastic and productive in this direction.
One thing has always remained consistent that is
we discuss the topic
not the individual, please refrain from judging the individual in future
comments.
I am sorry you felt this was judging *(usually you should be in power to
do so), as I mostly echoed self-stated claims and asking questions.
Not everyone has the same freedoms or experiences
at home and that leads
to concerns when travelling.
Since I would have not been legal in Singapore last year this time I am
well aware of this, however this is based on legal regulations not
hypothetical probability.
Trust & Safety people will be readily
available during the event and at
each activity, all volunteers will have T&S training and instructions on
where to contact the T&S team
That is good to know.
Thank you for fast inputs, though I was not expecting or calling it for as
you phrased it, but I do look forward now to *(delayed) the report on
Wikimania wiki.
Best wishes!
On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 at 08:30, Handoko Suwono <handokos27(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Sorry if I am answering to the wrong thread about
gender policing in
Singapore.
- handoko
On Mon, Jun 26, 2023, 00:55 Željko Blaće <zblace(a)mi2.hr> wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 8:27 AM Mina Theofilatou <
> saintfevrier(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi and thanks a lot for your email!
>>
>
> You are most welcome.
>
> You also raised some super interesting topics and gave me insights in
> your activities and Wikimania scholarship decisions I really appreciate.
>
> I hope you do not mind this email remaining public as I really feel it
> is an important topic at least as much as your friend does! I hope Butch
> does also.
>
>
>
>> This friend is not involved in the Wikimedia movement, she would be a
>> "novice". I talked to her about Wikimania - she can self-fund herself
>> whereas sadly I can't - and she raised some concerns.
>>
>
> OK - but at least you got the scholarship so you are certain you will
> be there?
> I see you are not really contributing much to Wikimedia yourself also
>
https://guc.toolforge.org/?by=date&user=Saintfevrier
> Interesting that you have been selected for a Scholarship anyway again
> and again...is this 4th Wikimania for you?
>
> I hope few people from our QW2023 team are there as one of 3 topics is
> Diversity. For now I did not hear anyone got a scholarship.
>
>
>> The others I was able to address (respect for privacy e.g. by wearing
>> the special tag that photos are not desirable) but this one had me
>> wondering. I told her she could sign up for the mailing lists but she
>> preferred the discussion went through me. She's quite sensitive with her
>> personal data, perhaps too much so, but of course I respect her hesitation.
>>
>
> I see. What do you think makes her so sensitive? Was she experiencing
> some kind of trauma? Most adult LGBT+ people did in one way or another.
>
>
>> It so happens that I have done a lot of reading on the issue, for
>> totally different reasons, and I can confirm that incidents have occured in
>> settings where an individual who is male on all accounts (physical
>> features) enters a female space (restrooms, lockers) by self-identifying as
>> a woman and then proceeds to harass women using the space.
>>
>
> Interesting. Do you mind sharing the references to that literature?
> Maybe this is worth a Wikipedia article?
>
>
>> I'm not saying it's a frequent occurence, or that it will happen at
>> Wikimania (haha she actually liked the name of the annual event :) but it
>> is a valid concern that needs to be addressed, if the organisers want all
>> participants to feel safe and comfortable.
>>
>
> I agree for valid concerns to be addressed whenever possible. I would
> love to learn how this can be proven valid.
>
>
>> In the past these issues would go by "rule of thumb": you see a man
>> in the women's toilets, you report it. Now I'm confused: if you report
it,
>> would you be offending the gender access policy for the restrooms?
>>
>
> I do not know. I am queer identifying and male presenting, though not
> always and in the most patriarchal normative ways. I would not go around
> reporting people from just being around, but that is my choice as I feel I
> have no traumas with gender representation, but ideological ones with
> rightwing Croatian extremist who obducted the HR Wikipedia for decade and
> were visiting Wikimanias and CEE Meetings without WMF's intervention for a
> decade.
>
> Self-identification can be tricky...
>>
>
> I am not sure what you mean. I think if people are not putting others
> in direct danger through action, usually I am OK with whatever they
> identify as long as it is legal (no Nazi symbols and similar..)
>
>
>> That said, I would be happy to participate in any discussions on the
>> topic, provided I can fit them into my hectic schedule (more hectic than I
>> care, which is one of the reasons I have not edited in quite a while...)
>>
>
> Indeed, maybe you should reconsider if you travel too much and edit
> too little and pass on the chance to others?
>
> Thanks again :)
>>
>
> You are most welcome!
>
>
>
> On Sat, 24 Jun 2023, 08:59 Željko Blaće, <zblace(a)mi2.hr> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mina! I am not sure if we got to meet online, but I see you are
>>> Greek and involved in Outreach activities so I hope we will eventually even
>>> meet in person in the Balkans. Meanwhile I see you attended many Wikimanias
>>> and glad to see you have friendly friends who claim to be pro diversity and
>>> confortable with LGBTQ folx, so I am curious about the one you ask
>>> a question for. Is she not comfortable asking this question herself? Why do
>>> you think that is the case?
>>>
>>> Queering Wikipedia 2023 event organizing team is planning offline
>>> events and we would like to have them welcoming to all well intendended and
>>> tolerant folx. I am curious to know which exact incidents of harassment by
>>> 'males who identify as women' do you refer to? Also as you think it
is a
>>> valid concern, I would love to know why you think this could happen in
>>> Wikimania? Because people are mostly Wikipedians and Wikimedians? (hope
>>> your friend did not misunderstand the wikiMANIA part of the brand)
>>>
>>> Unrelated to our context, do you and your friend think harassment
>>> happens because someone is not-cis?
>>> I would think it is mostly because those people are harassers and
>>> they are in bigger numbers as cis.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your answers in advance!
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Z. Blace
>>>
>>> p.s. As a neo-nazi and right-wing militants attack victim (also
>>> known to be on their lists) I would love to raise concerns over tolerance
>>> for neo-nazi, right-wing and pro-gun militants in Wikimedia, but there was
>>> historically no or very little support for concrete work, so I would love
>>> for us to brainstorm at one point what makes sense to do, where and when.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 8:23 PM Mina Theofilatou <
>>> saintfevrier(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not sure if this is the right thread to ask, but on behalf of a
>>>> friend who is considering attending I'd like to know about the policy
on
>>>> gendered restrooms in the conference venue. She is very comfortable with
>>>> the LGBTQ community and celebrates diversity, but is concerned about the
>>>> possibility of AMAB individuals who self-identify as women using the
>>>> women's restrooms. I have been to several Wikimanias and I don't
recall any
>>>> related problems having occurred, but I do see that it is a vald concern
as
>>>> there have been incidients of harassment by males who identify as women
in
>>>> other public events.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, best wishes for a safe and fruitful Wikimania :)
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 23 Jun 2023, 20:22 Wikimania, <wikimania(a)wikimedia.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> Many of you are starting to plan your trips, and we’ve been
>>>>> receiving a lot of questions related to travel to Singapore: visas,
>>>>> vaccines, hotels, weather… We invite you to take a look at our
Travel
>>>>> page on the Wikimania Wiki
>>>>> <https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Travel>, with
subpages
>>>>> for e-visas, attendee information, and accommodations. Feel free to
leave a
>>>>> message on any relevant talk pages or reach out to us at
>>>>> wikimania(a)wikimedia.org <http://Wikimania@wikimedia.org> if
>>>>> anything is unclear or incomplete.
>>>>>
>>>>> To highlight one point–many countries are visa-free for Singapore,
>>>>> but everyone needs to fill out a Singapore entry card before arrival.
Also
>>>>> Singapore requires a yellow fever vaccine from many countries–please
see if
>>>>> yours is on the list!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Butch Bustria*
>>>>>
>>>>> On behalf of the Core Organizing Team
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