Hello, can we see each other in Haifa again? Just curious.
And as others said, Palestinians have Internet access. I can assure you from my personal experiences ... After Wikimania2007 I met a group of pilgrims from Palestine. They spoke Arabic and were Eastern orthodox faithfuls. They called themselves "Isreaeli", when I asked them who they were. Unfortunately I failed the actual chance, we had promised to exchange email addresses on our pilgrimage to the summit of Mt. Sinai and they had knew Wikipedia.
Cheers,
2011/6/29 WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com:
I'm a great believer in the theory that Wikipedia participation in any particular country is in large part a function of the Internet access there. So countries like North Korea that blcck the Internet will be holes in our participation, as will be countries that block Wikipedia. Elsewhere it depends partly on the amount of free and fast access to the Internet as opposed to slow access and people who pay per mb rather than per month; and partly on the local speed of accessing Wikipedia - excellent if you are connected to a part of the Internet that has a good connection to Florida, pretty good if you are close to the squid servers in Amsterdam, very slow in much of the global south.
Which is a very long way of asking if anyone knows what Internet and specifically Wikipedia access is like in Gaza and the Westbank and whether there are any Government filters in place. There is not much point arguing that israel would give visas to Palestinian wikimedians if it turns out that the siege of Gaza or the wall partitioning the West bank included Israeli restrictions on Internet access that prevented their being Palestinian Wikimedians..... conversely if Hamas bans Wikipedia in Gaza then it wouldn't matter whether Wikimania was in Haifa, Mecca or Port Stanley, there still wouldn't be any Wikimedians coming from Gaza.
WereSpielChequers
2011/6/29 KIZU Naoko aphaia@gmail.com:
Oops I forgot to insert some words. Let me correct:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:24 AM, KIZU Naoko aphaia@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I don't recall any Arabic participants in Boston, in Taiwan either (they decided not to show from their own reason), many in Alexandria but not so many from outside of Egypt, no Palestinians but two Israelis,
in Gdansk, one Syrian and one Irani (our steward) ...... iirc there
were some Jordanian somewhere, iirc in several Wikimanias but not sure in which ones.
And from time to time, as Transcom member, I heard there were no or very a little Palestinian contributors to Arabic Wikipedia. It is sad we haven't successful to get them in Wikimedia universe, and there will be some reasons but I presume it'll be more complicated than a certain organization hinders or whatever.
Cheers,
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 6:01 AM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
I don't remember meeting any Palestinians at the last two Wikimanias either, so if there are no Palestinians coming despite the geography then that is unfortunate. But if we can honestly say that no Palestinians tried to come but were unable to get visas then I am somewhat reassured, and thanks for trying to find some.
However I am worried at the attendance from the wider Islamic world, and of course attendance in general. How does this compare to previous years?
WereSpielChequers
On 28 June 2011 20:53, Kim Bruning kim@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:20:11PM +0300, Harel Cain wrote:
Rather read it as "we looked for Palestinian wikimedians all over the place for over a year; apparently they're not very easy to find".
Ok, that's definitely a very different narrative than either BDS's claims, or what I was hoping myself (to wit, that local people just tend to register pretty late, because they don't need to plan ahead as far.)
<scratches head>
Thanks for answering my questions so far!
sincerely, Kim Bruning
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