Hello all,
In response to this I wrote something in defence of friendly space
policies, as I think we are looking at them the wrong way.
It's far from complete but just a few ideas.
TL:DR: Safe space policies are important,
but
being both less defensive, and less judgemental
about infractions,
is good
, and the only way we learn.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Battleofalma/What_did_I_do_wrong
Thanks
S
On 15 August 2018 at 04:39, Romaine Wiki <romaine.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
In the world we have a big problem of violence against
women, but also
towards to the LGBT+ community and I think these problems are a serious
problem we all can recognise. To create clarity we have a Friendly Space
Policy what clearly defines what is unacceptable, something that we all can
recognise.
But what should happen when somebody feels uncomfortable, while there is
no violation of the Friendly Space Policy?
And in addition, if that somebody does not indicate to feel uncomfortable,
so the other person has no way to know someone is uncomfortable. And thus
can't fix/help to remove the uncomfortable part of the situation.
If then actions are taken towards the person who apparently created an
uncomfortable feeling without knowing that, who also got no indication as
such to fix, then this raises to me a lot of questions.
What then happens is that the Trust and Safety team creates for that
person an unsafe environment.
And not just for this person, but to anyone who has interaction with
another person.
And the more interactions you have with people, the higher is the risk
that there is someone feeling uncomfortable.
Especially those people, maybe you have seen them, that walk around to
help others, answer questions, etc, (there are various of them at
Wikimania), especially those people are at high risk.
If *then* the Trust and Safety team is taking action, something goes
wrong, then an event is no longer safe.
What we can do as a community is debate
*principles*, i.e. the policy
itself.
I think it is not the policy that is the actual subject for debate, but it
is about how the policy is used, or otherwise the way how we deal as
movement with this kind of situations.
What are the general principles according how the trust and Safety team
acts. Those can be open and should not be a black box.
A second thing (or maybe the same) that is something we can talk about is
what do we do as movement when somebody feels uncomfortable (as described)?
How can we help this person with this feeling to be comfortable again?
Romaine
2018-07-29 20:57 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk>uk>:
On 29 July 2018 at 18:27, Chris Keating
<chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Lots of opinions from people going "well
this person didn't harass
me" or "I don't know the specifics but maybe it's just cultural
differences"
I'm one of the people who commented, early on, on that original
thread; and I don't believe that describes my post.
I did note that there was prima face evidence that a community member
who had a disability (my word for it; not theirs) appeared to have
been discriminated against, at least in part, due to the effects of
that disability. I would expect or "safe space" policy to ensure that
this did not happen.
I have not seen a single response, to date, that has addressed this
point; either specifically or in general.
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