Sorry but I have a hard time understanding the issue here - in fact this just comes across
as quite transphobic.As you write yourself, males* and females* sometimes use each others
bathrooms. I never encountered a bathroom situation where I couldn't avoid looking to
closely at what people do or not do at a pissoir when I passed them. If someone - for some
reason that is beyond me - is offended by (used) hygiene products, don't look into the
bin. Easy.CheersClaudia
-------- Original message --------From: Mina Theofilatou <saintfevrier(a)gmail.com>
Date: 28/06/2023 23:58 (GMT+01:00) To: "Wikimania general list (open
subscription)" <wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: [Wikimania-l] Re:
Planning your trip to Singapore for Wikimania 2023 OK so I've finally found some time
to sit at my computer and write a proper reply. I will refrain from addressing Z.'s
concerns on my eligibility as a scholarship recipient (and all the related sarcasm) for
Wikimania 2023 as I have already replied to that on the renamed thread "selection
criteria". I read through the comments on gender policy in this thread and I'm
afraid that I will have to be somewhat explicit to get my point across. I am 56 years old
(my friend interested in attending Wikimania23 is several years older) and I have been to
many conferences on four continents, I'd say over a hundred (not all Wikimedia-related
of course). I am a cis-gender woman - apologies if I'm not using the right terms,
until recently "woman" or "female" was enough to describe what I am -
and naturally I have used dozens of women's restrooms (and locker rooms occasionally).
Not once have I experienced a disturbing incident involving a man or male in a space
designated for women because quite simply, I have never seen a man - a male-presenting
individual, that is - using the space (except for the occasional "emergency",
whereby the male uses the women's toilet and apologises for doing so if he encounters
a woman while "relieving" himself. I've had to do the same on a few
occasions in the men's toilets). Such was the situation in the pre-self-identification
era. It is very possible that throughout the years I have encountered trans women in the
women's restrooms without even being aware of it: a female-presenting trans individual
in a space designated for women is naturally, perfectly acceptable and no cause for
concern.In the era of self-identification however, an individual who presents as a man -
with a beard etc. features of a male physique - can self-identify as a woman (female) and
proceed to use spaces designated for women. So, in the hypothetical case that this man who
identifies as a woman exits the bathroom stall with his penis in his hand, shaking off the
extra urine (apologies for being explicit) - a frequent and non-offensive action in
men's restrooms, especially those with urinals - encounters a woman and the woman is
offended, would she be entitled to express her discomfort to Trust and Safety? (apologies
if the name of the dept has changed, that's the name I remember). Or would she get a
reply along the lines of "we understand that you feel offended and that you
experienced discomfort from the encounter, but our gender policy is self-identification
and this man identifies as a woman so (s)he can use the women's restrooms and
there's nothing we can do about it". Same goes for AFAB individuals who are
female-presenting but identify as men. A man using the men's toilets may feel
discomfort at the sight of e.g. period blood and pads (again, apologies for the
explicitness!) in a stall. I have tried to describe the issue as respectfully as possible.
Again, apologies for being explicit, it was inevitable. I do agree that *generally*
Wikipedians are respectful of others and would *generally* not intentionally cause
discomfort to others using gender-designated toilets - or worse yet, go so far as to
harass - but if norms of common decency were self-evident to everyone, there would be no
need for a Trust and Safety dept in the first place. Best,MinaΧωρίς ιούς.www.avast.comOn
Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 8:25 AM Željko Blaće <zblace(a)mi2.hr> wrote:Dear organizers -
for the (self announced) transparency plan commitment of publishing list of scholarship
grantees in May - it would be useful to do it at least in June as we are almost in
July. It would also likely reduce the number of repeating questions.Best Z. Blace
On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 7:15 AM Mohd Sayeed <sayeed8545(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Did u get the scholarship?
On Sat, Jun 24, 2023, 12:05 AM Aryan Kumar Paswan <pradipguhilote(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
trip to singapore kindly share list of candidate and is it free of cost?
On Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 22:52 Wikimania <wikimania(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi everyone,
Many of you are starting to plan your trips, and we’ve been receiving a lot of questions
related to travel to Singapore: visas, vaccines, hotels, weather… We invite you to take a
look at our Travel page on the Wikimania Wiki, with subpages for e-visas, attendee
information, and accommodations. Feel free to leave a message on any relevant talk pages
or reach out to us at wikimania(a)wikimedia.org if anything is unclear or incomplete.
To highlight one point–many countries are visa-free for Singapore, but everyone needs to
fill out a Singapore entry card before arrival. Also Singapore requires a yellow fever
vaccine from many countries–please see if yours is on the list!
Best,
Butch Bustria
On behalf of the Core Organizing Team
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