Hi all,
I don't want to take away from the huge amount of work and movement contributions that
were made by the Mexico, London, and other Wikimania teams, but: it's worth noting
that we could organise a Wikimania with the same number of attendees for a lot less amount
of volunteer time (and also money).
~1,000+ people conferences take place quite often each year, across many different
academic, non-profic and commercial communities, and there are dedicated conference venues
that will just sort out everything - the venue, the internet access, hotel options, the
whole lot. They are often located near to international airports, or major cities, which
are easy to get to from across the globe. If we wanted to, we could go as far as saying
"we're meeting at this venue, delegate fees are X per day, here is the list of
nearby hotels that you can stay at, it's up to you to sort out everything else
yourself" - and that would lead to a very cheap Wikimania for the WMF and the local
Wikimedia organisation.
Rather than going for those options, we've preferred to keep things complicated - we
chose not to use standard conference packages, instead picking specific locations and
approaches for each Wikimania. We travel to out of the way locations. We bolt on different
bespoke activities (such as evening events, and outreach activities) to those conferences
that increase the complexity of the event. We ask volunteers to take on duties that we
could ask attendees to take on instead (photographs/organising sessions, etc.). We vary
the structure of each conference to include the preferences of each organising committee.
We organise a scholarship process.
If we're going to do a rational cost-benefit analysis of Wikimania, including all of
the options about regularity, intentions, etc., then perhaps we should also consider the
basics - what's the minimum amount that's needed to hold such an event, leaving
aside the optional extras? What can we keep constant between each Wikimania: can we keep
the program organisation, the approach to evening events, and the add-on events the same
each year (saving volunteer and staff time)? Or perhaps we should acknowledge the extra
work that goes into each bespoke Wikimania, and celebrate that? Or seek an intermediate
solution - sort out the venue, program, etc., and leave hotel/food options up to
attendees? Or perhaps each Wikimania should keep vying for the title of the best Wikimania
ever?
Thanks,
Mike
On 10 Jul 2016, at 23:42, Ivan Martínez
<galaver(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It's a lot of work, last week before Wikimania Mexico the coordination team slept
less than 4 hours each day. But for me being honest was not a shaming time, was great. And
we can have people intended to keep Wikimania annual and run similar challenges.
Harry, we had here 72 committed volunteers working without paid and we are not a major
developed economy.
Darius, I think that "motivations criris afterward" must also be considered in
the planning and prior call for Wikimanía volunteers and can be avoided. In Mexico we
always tell to people that we did not want them just for giving the best of themselves for
three days around, but we wanted to keep them with Wikimedia mission. A month ago we broke
a Guinness record and 60% of attendees were Wikimania volunteers. It is a matter of long
preplanning, I think.
2016-07-10 15:03 GMT-05:00 Harry Mitchell <hjmwiki(a)gmail.com
<mailto:hjmwiki@gmail.com>>:
Yes, London was big, and the two Wikimaniae since have been on a smaller scale, but
I'm not sure a ~1,000-person conference is significantly less of a headache than a
~2,000-person conference, and actually I'd wager that Esino was more logistically
complicated due to the location - for example having to arrange buses to Varenna and the
airports (which were around 50 miles away). Not that that should be taken as a criticism
of the Esino team - they did a fantastic job in a beautiful location and I'd love to
have another 'scenic Wikimania'.
I'll let Ed tell you about what he did. I know I saw him spend a lot of time dealing
with the venue and the programme and discussing finance and logistics, but I'm sure
there are lots of other things. Speaking for myself: those volunteers in red shirts? That
was my contribution. The volunteers on the helpdesks, running sessions, meeting and
greeting, tweeting, photographing, doing odd jobs and generally making things run smoothly
... I recruited most of them*, got to know them, trained them, split them into teams, did
a lot of the scheduling (easier said than done - lots of moving parts!). During the
conference, they looked after the attendees, and I looked after them. And I've never
worked with such an amazing group of people. It was a truly humbling experience, but it
was a lot of work. At one point I was receiving something like 200 emails a day just
relating to Wikimania and was having to set aside time at the start and end of the day to
answer the ones that didn't require an immediate response. I also devised the scheme
of reporting and emergency/contingency planning for volunteers (thankfully this wasn't
necessary, but the death of a Wikimedian at that year's Wikimedia Conference was
painfully fresh in our memories), and spent a lot of time trying to drum up and channel
interest within the UK Wikimedian community. I'm sure there were other things, but
those roles alone took up a significant amount of time - certainly in excess of 40 hours a
week in the final few weeks before the conference.
*(Not wishing to take credit from anyone else; I worked closely with lots of other people
on all these things, particularly Hera Hussain, and Fabian Tompsett and Chris McKenna who
were at the time employed by Wikimedia UK.)
Harry Mitchell
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On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org
<mailto:lodewijk@effeietsanders.org>> wrote:
Thanks Harry, Ed,
Of course London was a bit of an exceptionally big Wikimania - but did you evaluate your
effort somewhere, and note what you spent your time on somewhere? Just to get an
impression which components take most effort (as Dariusz suggested)?
Best,
Lodewijk
2016-07-10 20:25 GMT+02:00 Harry Mitchell <hjmwiki(a)gmail.com
<mailto:hjmwiki@gmail.com>>:
I agree with Ed here. Organising a conference of this size is a huge undertaking to ask
of volunteers. I wouldn't want to see Wikimania go down the road of being organised by
a team of professional conference organisers because then it would lose the organic
community feel that makes it so special, but we shouldn't rule out stipends for the
local team. Otherwise we end up with the slightly odd situation of the WMF or local
chapter bringing in paid staff to fill gaps left by volunteers but the volunteers still
effectively working full-time unpaid. I had a much smaller role in 2014 than Ed and others
and was fortunate to be in a position to dedicate a lot of time to it; I certainly
wouldn't be in a position now to devote as much time as I did for free and without
wishing to speak for Ed, I doubt he would be either even if he was willing.
If that's a problem in major developed economies, I'd imagine it would be even
more of a problem in places where people have less disposable income.
Harry Mitchell
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On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Edward Saperia <edsaperia(a)gmail.com
<mailto:edsaperia@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks for that comment, Dariusz;
Wikimania London took over two years of preparation, and occupied me full time for six
months in the run up to the event. It's a massive undertaking, and in retrospect it
seems deeply unfair to expect volunteers to do this.
There was a bidding process, so there was heavy pressure to minimise/understate the
budget - which mostly comes at the cost of the volunteers. I think the community just has
to be more realistic about what it costs to put on a 1000+ person event.
Were I to do it again I would absolutely include subsistence for the organising team in
the budget. It needs professional commitment and professional skills, even with WMF staff
support.
I do think that the movement deserves an annual event, and particularly that the WMF
should capitalise on it more from a comms perspective. Wiki*edia is a significant entity
and we should be presenting ourselves as such.
Edward Saperia
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In the same time, I've seen the following problems over the years, not directly
linked to the financial cost (which in the face of our relative financial stability can be
justified by the benefits, depending on how we define them):
- huge WMF staff involvement (most Wikimanias run smoothly also thanks to countless hours
put in by the staff),
- huge volunteer local organizers involvement (in fact, my observation is that many
chapters organizing WIkimanias suffer from a motivation crisis afterward).
[...]
While we can get the money (at least for now), the human involvement cost is something I
would not dare to dismiss just by emphasizing the benefits of Wikimania for the movement.
[...]
Instead of discussing whether we should have a Wikimania every year or not, perhaps we
should try to list and discuss the reasons why it is such a big strain? If it is clear
that we can't afford it every year (because of the human cost, probably more
importantly than the finances), the decision to break with the annual format will be a
natural consequence of such an analysis.
[...]
Dariusz Jemielniak ("pundit", a current Trustee).
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