Well, as someone who has worked at a number of universities and organised events at
others, I am well aware that many universities are short of cash and expect to be paid by
others to use their facilities so I would not assume that being “on campus” is a free or
low-cost venue for Wikimania. A university *may *decide that an event is sufficiently
in-line with their own goals that they may reduce/waive the cost, but holding events at a
university does incur real additional costs to the university, such as cleaning and
security at a minimum, so it is not unfair to charge for their use.
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Sorry, in the first sentence it should read "wikimania" , not
A segunda, 3 de jun de 2019, 11:19, Paulo Santos Perneta <paulosperneta(a)gmail.com
<mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org> > escreveu:
For us in Portugal joining wikimedia, even in a relatively close city like Stockholm,
without a scholarship stands at a minimum cost of 1000€, which really is a prohibitive
cost for the great majority of people here, corresponding to way more than a regular full
month wage (two minimum wages, actually).
25% of that cost corresponding to fees that even wikimedia volunteers have to pay does
seem quite obscene to me.
If a significant amount of the cost is going to fancy luxury hotels and parties - those
last ones barred to wikimedians below 18 years, in this years event - this really should
be something to be reviewed. Also, I agree that it is quite difficult to understand such
an high fee in this year wikimania, where most of the stuff seems to be organized on
A segunda, 3 de jun de 2019, 00:32, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com
<mailto:email@example.com> > escreveu:
As has in previous years been suggested if we want Wikimania to be truly inclusive and
encourage more people to attend then the WMF should just extend the fundraising by a week
and use that to subsidise the event making it more accessible to everyone. 1,000
particiants at 250€ is just an extra 250,000€ to collect, collecting enough to allow 200
scholarships would enable greater participation from more communities.
On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 03:16, Mykola Kozlenko <mycola-k(a)ukr.net
<mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org> > wrote:
In 2015, 2017 and 2018 we had Wikimanias in really upscale hotels. I can perfectly
understand why renting conference rooms and arranging catering for all participants in a
Sheraton or a Hilton is expensive. For instance, Montréal experience in 2017 was pretty
much worse 233 USD indeed given that we were in a centrally-located Sheraton.
This year we are having a Wikimania on a university campus. Yes, Stockholm is an expensive
city, but Montréal is not really cheap either. I can't really understand how a
university campus in Stockholm is more than 50% more expensive than a Sheraton in
I don't say I want these costs unbundled, I am happy to pay for the full experience,
but with a price tag that high I would really like to know where all this money will go.
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On 01/06/2019 19:44, effe iets anders wrote:
You're claiming that this year is a higher rate
than usual, I don't
think this is actually true. Some context:
- 2016: 500 euro, but this included accommodation and full board
- 2017: 315 CAD (~233 USD)
- 2018: 275 USD
2016 is indeed when it first went up, but even then the 500€ value was
fairly consistent with how much one could expect the whole thing to cost
when including fairly decent food and accommodation. What was concerning
was that then the cost stayed relatively high, without any of the
included stuff - if the 250€ is only the registration price, there's not
much to decouple. For instance, is there any food to not include? Lunch
being included has pretty much always been standard, for good reason,
and we're not doing breakfast and dinner for everyone in the first
place, are we? (As I recall, 2015 did include dinner, though, which may
indicate part of why it was also more expensive.) And even in terms of
fanciness, I'm not sure how much value that has, or if they even have
been meaningfully more so than they used to be. Comparing to the
Wikiconference USA/NA events I attended some of the same years (I don't
think any were over $50, definitely not more than $100), the Wikimanias
were mostly just... bigger. Higher volume.
For reference, prior wikimanias cost the following for Wikimedians:
2005 I can't find, but it was the first and thus organised a bit differently
So what happened? How is 250€ now not a lot of money? The first
Wikimania I attended was in 2012 and my entire budget was $500, which
was basically my holiday budget for the year. I was a student from a
poor background, and a lot of our contributors are students. Quite a few
of our contributors aren't exactly upper class, or from countries with
great conversion rates. Should we really be requiring them to get
special support now to even register for the main event for what is
supposed to be a world-wide, inclusive movement?
250€ is a quite a lot of money. Other things to attend may still cost
around the same or more, but if we also need to spend it on those
things, we're not going to have that money left to spend on the
registration as well.
(and the same page
on other years)
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