Is there any other way of investigating these issues without mentioning the names of the scholarship awardees? I don’t think anyone is criticising the awardees themselves - they are obviously grateful at having been selected and we certainly don’t resent their having the opportunity. I am always amused (amazed?) however, at every Wikimania I have attended, at the number of people who stand up when Jimbo asks his regular question: 'Stand up all those who have been to a Wikimania X times?’ Considering the geographical distances between locations, and the personal expense, it surprises me that so many have been many times - or were those the WMF staff?
Kudpung
On 30, May2018, at 14:02, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
Viswaprabha highlights a reason why some people may be appearing to get Montreal and CapeTown.
Where as Kudpung is highlighting that over time some people seam to get many scholarship opportunities to attend, while others miss out or perpetually end up on the wait list.
I dont think Kudpung is picking on Viswaprabha in any specific way, just enquiring if the three other listed Wikimanias were all scholarships along with capetown.
Personally I've only once got WMF scholarship to washington, once I was asked by the chapter to represent them in london, I have applied for a few others and been unsuccessful,
Yes its unfortunate that some people appear to get more opportunities while others miss out, understanding the mechanics of how & why that happens is an important part of the processes being reviewed and improved.
In some ways such issues need seek personal information because that does inform others. I do wonder how much of the application information is taken in good faith and how much is reviewed, because we know that filling in forms for such activities is skill set that some people have the ability to over promote themselves while others struggle in relating the good work they are doing -- this part is no way intended to reflect on Viswaprabha, I appreciate Viswaprabha took the time to highlight a personal event that is impacting this discussion in a non normal way.
On 30 May 2018 at 14:45, Siebrand Mazeland <siebrand@kitano.nl mailto:siebrand@kitano.nl> wrote: I think this is the point where we are deviating from the original issue, and where I feel things are getting way too personal. Can we please stay in a general topic and refrain from analyzing who in particular may or may not be getting the long or short end of the stick?
-- Siebrand
Op 30 mei 2018 om 08:42 heeft CS <cs@edubkk.org mailto:cs@edubkk.org> het volgende geschreven:
Visswaprabha,
'2012 Washington DC, 2014 London, 2015 Mexico.'
and for how many of those did you get a scholarship?
Kudpung
On 30 May 2018, at 13:28, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) <viswaprabha@gmail.com mailto:viswaprabha@gmail.com> wrote:
Just for the information of all those who read this thread, I did not get selected this year through the normal scholarship filtration process. I happen to be among those who could not attend Wikimania 2017 at Montreal, even after going through all these bashing and grillings and then obtaining a valid scholarship last year, due to the so called 'Canadian visa' problem. So, for me, scholarship to Wikimania 2018 was an automatic fall-in. Please reset your counters. My total Wikimania participation till date: 2012 Washington DC, 2014 London, 2015 Mexico.
Regards, User:Viswaprabha
On 30 May 2018 at 06:19, cs <cs@edubkk.org mailto:cs@edubkk.org> wrote: I am also concerned about the same people repeatedly receiving scholarships, and this is by no way of complaining that I did not receive one. As I said last year however, I believe it is also inappropriate to inform applicants that they have been placed on a short list. Not only does this raise false hopes, but as many applications are based on the users' intentions to submit a presentation, it incurs a serious waste of volunteers' time.
I also believe that active Wikipedia users who have financed their own participation in the conference multiple times should also be given priority consideration.
I fully understand that the according of scholarships is a complex and difficult task. As a former volunteer scholarship approvals committee member, I think I have some experience in these maters.
Not one single Wikimania has been organised without serious issues which often result in attendees’ negative experience. Perhaps the solution would be to have the entire concept of Wikimania place in the hands of an experienced volunteer task force of former conference organizers, presenters, and attendees who will have learned from previous errors and adminstartive organisational hiccups. Funds should also be made available for face-to-face meetings for the organisation of such an important event.
Having a truly executive Board of Trustees rather than one that simply rubber stamps the way the WMF works, in this and most other areas, may be a step towards addressing these issues.
Kudpung
On 30, May2018, at 01:59, Gheorghe Zugravu <zugravu.gheorghe@gmail.com mailto:zugravu.gheorghe@gmail.com> wrote:
On 29.05.2018 20:33, praveenp wrote:
I haven't seen any attempt to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired from Wikimania to community through mailing list or wiki. Users including me generally feel that community is being mocked on.
Hi to all, without being too original here, and following praveenp comments - would be good to encourage recipients of WMF scholarship to organize some type of Wikimania follow-up activities back in their groups or chapters.
I do believe that most of them are doing it anyway without any requirements from WMF, but if majority would do it - we could have something as a ”permanent Wikimania” unfolding globally for a couple of months after the official Wikimania.
regards, /gheorghe
Hi,
As I have said last year, this is not a complaint that I didn't get selected. This is not personal. This is about same persons receiving Wikimania scholarship year after year repeatedly. I am just using familiar user names from a familiar community, who got many repeated scholarships.
Even after I argued that none of these 'permanent scholarship receivers' sharing anything to community, I haven't seen any attempt to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired from Wikimania to community through mailing list or wiki. Users including me generally feel that community is being mocked on.
I tried to keep myself away from local discussion about this, but injustice is so clear. And nobody is ready to discuss it openly, most probably because of the 'incompetency shaming' in almost all replies.
~user:Praveenp
On Tuesday 29 May 2018 11:19 PM, Lodewijk wrote: Given the context of the previous email you sent, I am assuming this is more a complaint that you didn't get selected than that the other two got selected.
Similarly to the previous time you tried to have this discussion - I feel uncomfortable to make this about individuals.
Is there a way to give rejected applicants more feedback on which factors play a main role, so that they can learn from it, especially if there is something they could improve in their application. I would add two sidenotes here though: it should only be provided on request (no need to rub people's noses into something unnecessarily) and it seems only viable at a level that can be easily extracted from the process (high level).
Perhaps someone who knows the scholarship committee's work intimately could comment.
Best, Lodewijk
On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:21 AM, praveenp <me.praveen@gmail.com mailto:me.praveen@gmail.com <mailto:me.praveen@gmail.com mailto:me.praveen@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,
Congratulation to all the selection committee who break the tradition[1] of selecting one of the Malayalam communities two permanent Wikimania attendees, by selecting both of them.
Congratulation to User:Netha Hussain & User:viswaprabha also.
[1] "Granting Scholarship to same persons every year" thread, https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html>
~User:Praveenp
On Tuesday 15 May 2018 11:19 PM, Ellie Young wrote:
All,
Here's an update on various activities pertaining to the upcomingWikimania '18 which is being held July 18-22 in Cape Town, South Africa.
WMF Scholarship Program: 135 people were offered and subsequently accepteda full or partial scholarship to attend. The awardees are listed by usernames and the list is posted here:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholarshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholarsSubmissions: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars%3Chttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars%3ESubmissions: The program committee has just finished its review anddeliberations. Rejections and acceptance emails have gone out in the past week.
95% of the accepted submissions are listed at:
https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program>
Plenaries and other sessions will be listed soon and a scheduled program in June.
Registration and accommodation information is now up for everyone at:https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registrationhttps://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registrationhttps://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodationhttps://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/AccommodationIf https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration%3Chttps://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration%3Ehttps://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation%3Chttps://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation%3EIf you are a scholarship or other WMF funded attendee (staff, contractor,board, etc), please wait until you hear from the WMF with your registrationand accommodation instructions.If you have any questions about the conference, please emailwikimania-info at wikimedia.org http://wikimedia.org/<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>Please spread the word!!!!On behalf of the Wikimania '18 Organizing Team
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