Is there any  other way  of investigating  these issues without mentioning  the names of the scholarship awardees?
I  don’t  think  anyone is criticising  the awardees themselves -  they  are obviously  grateful at  having  been selected and we certainly don’t resent  their having  the opportunity. 
I am always amused (amazed?) however, at  every Wikimania I  have attended, at  the number of people who  stand up  when Jimbo  asks his regular question: 'Stand up  all  those who  have been to  a Wikimania X times?’
Considering  the geographical  distances between locations, and the personal  expense,  it  surprises me that  so  many  have been many  times -  or were those the WMF staff?

Kudpung

On 30, May2018, at 14:02, Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com> wrote:

Viswaprabha  highlights a reason why some people may be appearing to get Montreal and CapeTown.

Where as Kudpung is highlighting that over time some people seam to get many scholarship opportunities to attend, while others miss out or perpetually end up on the wait list.  

I dont think Kudpung is picking on  Viswaprabha in any specific way, just enquiring if the three other listed Wikimanias were all scholarships along with capetown.

Personally I've only once got WMF scholarship to washington, once I was asked by the chapter to represent them in london, I have applied for a few others and been unsuccessful, 

Yes its unfortunate that some people appear to get more opportunities while others miss out, understanding the mechanics of how & why that happens is an important part of  the processes being reviewed and improved.  

In some ways such issues need seek personal information because that does inform others.  I do wonder how much of the application information is taken in good faith and how much is reviewed, because we know that filling in forms for such activities is skill set that some people have the ability to over promote themselves while others struggle in relating the good work they are doing -- this part is no way intended to reflect on  Viswaprabha, I appreciate Viswaprabha  took the time to highlight a personal event that is impacting this discussion in a non normal way.

On 30 May 2018 at 14:45, Siebrand Mazeland <siebrand@kitano.nl> wrote:
I think this is the point where we are deviating from the original issue, and where I feel things are getting way too personal. Can we please stay in a general topic and refrain from analyzing who in particular may or may not be getting the long or short end of the stick?

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Op 30 mei 2018 om 08:42 heeft CS <cs@edubkk.org> het volgende geschreven:

Visswaprabha,

'2012 Washington DC, 2014 London, 2015 Mexico.'

and for how many of those did you get a scholarship?

Kudpung

On 30 May 2018, at 13:28, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) <viswaprabha@gmail.com> wrote:

Just for the information of all those who read this thread,
I did not get selected this year through the normal scholarship filtration process. I happen to be among those who could not attend Wikimania 2017 at Montreal, even after going through all these bashing and grillings and then obtaining a valid scholarship last year, due to the so called 'Canadian visa' problem.
So, for me, scholarship to Wikimania 2018 was an automatic fall-in. Please reset your counters.
My total Wikimania participation till date:
2012 Washington DC, 2014 London, 2015 Mexico.

Regards,
User:Viswaprabha


On 30 May 2018 at 06:19, cs <cs@edubkk.org> wrote:
I  am also  concerned about  the same people  repeatedly receiving  scholarships, and this is by  no  way  of complaining  that I did  not  receive one.
As I  said last year however, I  believe it  is also inappropriate  to  inform  applicants that  they  have been placed on  a short  list. Not only  does this raise false hopes, but  as many  applications are based on  the users' intentions to  submit a presentation, it  incurs a serious  waste of volunteers' time.

I  also  believe that  active Wikipedia users who  have financed their own participation  in  the conference multiple times should also  be given priority  consideration.

I  fully  understand that  the according  of scholarships is a complex and difficult  task. As  a former volunteer scholarship approvals committee member, I  think  I  have some experience in  these maters.

Not  one single Wikimania has been organised without  serious issues which  often result in  attendees’ negative experience.
Perhaps the solution  would be to  have the entire concept  of Wikimania place in  the hands of an experienced volunteer task  force of former conference organizers, presenters,  and attendees who  will have learned from  previous  errors and adminstartive organisational  hiccups. Funds should also  be made available for  face-to-face meetings for  the organisation of such  an important  event.

Having  a truly executive Board of Trustees rather than one that  simply  rubber stamps the way  the WMF works, in  this and most  other areas, may  be a step  towards addressing  these issues.

Kudpung

On 30, May2018, at 01:59, Gheorghe Zugravu <zugravu.gheorghe@gmail.com> wrote:

On 29.05.2018 20:33, praveenp wrote:
I haven't seen any attempt to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired
from Wikimania to community through mailing list or wiki. Users
including me generally feel that community is being mocked on.

Hi to all,
without being too original here, and following praveenp comments - would
be good to encourage recipients of WMF scholarship to organize some type
of Wikimania follow-up activities back in their groups or chapters.

I do believe that most of them are doing it anyway without any
requirements from WMF, but if majority would  do it - we could have
something as a ”permanent Wikimania” unfolding globally for a couple of
months after the official Wikimania.

regards,
/gheorghe



Hi,

As I have said last year, this is not a complaint that I didn't get
selected. This is not personal. This is about same persons receiving
Wikimania scholarship year after year repeatedly. I am just using
familiar user names from a familiar community, who got many repeated
scholarships.

Even after I argued that none of these 'permanent scholarship
receivers' sharing anything to community, I haven't seen any attempt
to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired from Wikimania to community
through mailing list or wiki. Users including me generally feel that
community is being mocked on.

I tried to keep myself away from local discussion about this, but
injustice is so clear. And nobody is ready to discuss it openly, most
probably because of the 'incompetency shaming' in almost all replies.

~user:Praveenp


On Tuesday 29 May 2018 11:19 PM, Lodewijk wrote:
Given the context of the previous email you sent, I am assuming this
is more a complaint that you didn't get selected than that the other
two got selected. 

Similarly to the previous time you tried to have this discussion - I
feel uncomfortable to make this about individuals. 

Is there a way to give rejected applicants more feedback on which
factors play a main role, so that they can learn from it, especially
if there is something they could improve in their application. I would
add two sidenotes here though: it should only be provided on request
(no need to rub people's noses into something unnecessarily) and it
seems only viable at a level that can be easily extracted from the
process (high level). 

Perhaps someone who knows the scholarship committee's work intimately
could comment. 

Best,
Lodewijk

On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:21 AM, praveenp <me.praveen@gmail.com
<mailto:me.praveen@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Congratulation to all the selection committee who break the
tradition[1] of selecting  one of the Malayalam communities two
permanent Wikimania attendees, by selecting both of them.

Congratulation to User:Netha Hussain & User:viswaprabha also.

[1] "Granting Scholarship to same persons every year" thread,
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html
<https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html>

~User:Praveenp


On Tuesday 15 May 2018 11:19 PM, Ellie Young wrote:
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All,


Here's an update on various activities pertaining to the
upcomingWikimania '18  which is being held July 18-22 in Cape Town,
South Africa.

WMF Scholarship Program:  135 people were offered and subsequently
accepteda full or partial scholarship to attend.  The awardees are
listed by usernames and the list is posted
here:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars>Submissions:
 The program committee has just finished its review anddeliberations. 
Rejections and acceptance emails  have gone out in the past week.

95% of the accepted submissions are listed at:


https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program
<https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program>


Plenaries and other sessions will be listed soon and a scheduled
program  in June.

Registration and accommodation information is now up for everyone
at:https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration<https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration>https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation<https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation>If
you are a scholarship or other WMF funded attendee (staff,
contractor,board, etc), please wait until you hear from the WMF with
your registrationand accommodation instructions.If you have any
questions about the conference, please emailwikimania-info at
wikimedia.org<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>Please
spread the word!!!!On behalf of the Wikimania '18 Organizing Team

Ellie YoungEvents Manager, Wikimedia
Foundation<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>​

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