I completely and adamantly disagree with Harel.
Although some bbids are better then others, there are good suggestions already
on the 2012 bid list (the Istanbul bid for example - considering the early
stage) and other groups are considering bidding.
I believe that wikimania should remain an annual event, and although it is
complicated in time investing it is doable annually.
We should consider a mechanism which will provide each winning time with the
experience and knowledge of previous years to make things easier and to enable
annual improvement, but there are many chapters and groups who want to host
wikimania, and I am sure, that as the number of chapters annually increase, and
the number of volunteers annually grow – there will be more and more competitors
wishing to host wikimania.
Deror
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From: Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
To: Coordination list for Wikimania. <wikimania-planning-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Cc: Wikimania jury list <wikimania-jury(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 1:53:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimania-jury] [Wikimania-planning-l] What to do about 2012, and
the future
2011/1/19 Harel Cain <harel.cain(a)gmail.com>
Wikimania-l is a public mailing list with hundreds of members whose relation to
wikimania organizing and bidding can be quite remote. I don't mind moving it
there, but my feeling is that most Wikimania "experts" and stakeholders are on
one of the two lists I wrote to in my first mail.
Harel
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org> wrote:
I think that this is not the right list to bring up this discussion. Perhaps you
could re-send your email to wikimania-l ? For now, although I have strong
opinions, I will keep them to myself to avoid confusion :)
Best,
Lodewijk
2011/1/19 Harel Cain <harel.cain(a)gmail.com>
Hi all,
I'm not a member of this list (so include me in your replies, should you reply),
and my comments below express my personal opinion only, which is not necessarily
representative of the opinion of WM Israel or of the WM Haifa local team.
I'm also copying the wikimania-planning-l list in case they're interested.
As someone who attended Wikimania 2007, 2010 and is now spending countless hours
together with other team members on preparing WM 2011, I wanted to raise a
somewhat controversial idea, namely that in future years, Wikimania will be held
once every two years (biannually) and not annually.
The reason I'm saying this is not only the huge effort that has to be invested
by the local team year after year, but what is potentially a lack of strong bids
to host Wikimania 2012, as witnessed by this year's jury. Even if strong bids
emerge for 2012 eventually, I'm sure that in years to come the problem will
repeat and again we might face a situation where there are no strong bids at
all.
To me, the lack of strong bids is an indicator that holding a big, expensive and
complex international conference in a changing location year after year is not
very realistic in the long term - and Wikimania is just becoming ever more big,
expensive and complex (for example, WM2011 will see at least three side events
preceding/co-locating with it).
Few international organizations do that. In fact, many international conferences
such as the International Congress of Mathematicians are held every 4 years! I
don't think it will be a bad sign for the Wikimedia movement / foundation to
decide to hold Wikimania every two years, just a realistic understanding on its
part that the tradition of annual Wikimanias is not very practical. I hope that
eventually, someone will have the decision power and the courage to take this
decision - if not for 2012 (I'm not advocating to skip WM2012 specifically,
that's not my agenda), then in the future.
Your thoughts?
Yours,
Harel Cain
Wikimania 2011 local team (but speaking personally)
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Yes, that is all very true. But whether or not we should have a Wikimania every
year, is something that has impact on all those visitors, so they should have at
least a say in that :) Also, they are your potential bidders for the future
years, and all the experts are there /too/. You have the best of both worlds
there imho.
Lodewijk