I haven't seen the case of Yoder, but lets just sum up the Kurita77 case:
You say that Kurita77 is not Enviroknot because:
* He sweared in his e-mails, and Enviroknot didn't.
* His IP eventually didn't match (although this can easily be done by
forging the IP)
We say that he is, because:
* His IP initially matched that of Enviroknot, both on the mailing list and
on Wikipedia.
* He instantly edited on the same topics as Enviroknot.
* On these topics he edited on, he shared an opinion with Enviroknot, which
was a minority opinion anyway.
I don't know about you, but are points cancel out yours ten times over. I'm
out of this case now, but I think that the case is solved anyway.
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Nony Mouse" <temoforcomments4(a)hotmail.com>
To: <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Weyes
I am specifically NOT saying that *ALL* Admins are
evil. However, there
ARE
a decent number of them who are regularly abusing
their authority, and who
(on this list and on Wikipedia in general) are not being reined in but
instead are being encouraged to continue their behavior by mutual
protectors
who are ALSO Admins.
It's quite a racket. Get in as friends with the "right" Admins / ArbCom
members, and you're functionally insulated from any penalty for breaking
the
rules or abusing your powers. Because no matter WHAT
you do, they will
come
riding to your rescue and defending your actions. And
all you have to do
in
return is treat the bigwigs as if their word had come
directly from the
mouth of $DIETY as divine law, and back THEM up when someone protests
against THEIR abuses.
But I'm not allowed to name names. Since I don't run the list and I'm not
part of the clique, that's a "personal attack."
I have presented my points in the case of Yoder and Kurita77. YOU seem to
be
dead-set on IGNORING it, because you want to justify
the behavior of
clique-member Admins.
A. Nony Mouse
>From: "David 'DJ' Hedley" <spyders(a)btinternet.com>
>Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
>To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
>Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Weyes
>Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:06:54 +0100
>
>If its such a problem, you don't have to edit. Infact, you don't even
have
>to be on this mailing list, and the borderline,
unjustifyable cases you
are
>bringing up are making people not want you to do
either.
>
>Now, i'm not sure who you are, but you've been repeating yourself for the
>past couple of days and its quite clear that you aren't bringing anything
>to
>this mailing list that we haven't heard and defended ourselves against
>before.
>
>The only case you seem to be bringing to us is the same old "Admins abuse
>power", "Admins are evil", etc. messages which aren't anything
new. Its
>starting to bore people, to be honest, and unless you have any
substantial
>evidence to present about all of this I really
doubt that your
persistence
>will get you anywhere.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "A. Nony Mouse" <temoforcomments4(a)hotmail.com>
>To: <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Weyes
>
>
> > >From: Michael Turley <michael.turley(a)gmail.com>
> > >Reply-To: Michael Turley <michael.turley(a)gmail.com>,English
Wikipedia
> > ><wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
> > >To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org>
> > >Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Weyes
> > >Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:43:16 -0400
> > >
> > >On 7/5/05, A. Nony Mouse <temoforcomments4(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > You know something?
> > > >
> > > > The behaviors of admins like Weyes could easily have become - the
>"many
> > > > admins, and even some arbitrators" (read: just about ALL of the
>current
> > > > Arbitration Committee as well as the now-retired "Red
Queen") who
>have
> > > > forgotten about civility and more generally about paying attention
>to
> > > > Wikipedia policy - is what I've been talking about.
> > > >
> > > > But instead of seeing them dealing with the issue, I've been
getting
> > >almost
> > > > nothing but nasty responses from the "go away we don't want
to
hear
> > >about
> > > > it" inner Admin clique.
> > > >
> > > > How does that grab you? What does that say about the current Admin
> > >clique?
> > > >
> > > > A. Nony Mouse
> > >
> > >Your reply "grabs me" as considerably more critical than my own
> > >message was intended to be.
> > >
> > >I don't see a clique, and I don't see any significant abuses of
> > >policy, but I do occasionally see excuses for harsh conduct where no
> > >excuses should be.
> >
> > I call it a clique because it's the same admins - time and again - who
>are
> > the ones coming in and making excuses for the bad behavior of their
>friends.
> > And the favor seems to be returned.
> >
> > It's not just here, it's on Wikipedia in general. All we see on this
>list
>is
> > the tip of the iceberg, the very few users who cared enough for
WHATEVER
> > reason to take the option of last resort and
appeal for the righting
of
> > wrongs.
> >
> > Instead of getting it, they're getting harrassment at the hands of
this
clique of editors who see nothing wrong with bad
behavior and in many
cases
encourage the bad behavior of their fellows.
That's a problem. A BIG problem. Without this clique of editors, we
wouldn't
have been subjected to expletive-filled rants by
Kurita77 and Yoder. I
don't
blame the newbies, I blame the clique of editors
who choose to take an
opportunity to blow off steam by repeatedly biting newbies until they
blow
up.
A. Nony Mouse
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