From: "A. Nony Mouse"
<temoforcomments4(a)hotmail.com>
Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
To: wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Weyes
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 18:13:18 +0100
I am specifically NOT saying that *ALL* Admins are evil. However, there ARE
a decent number of them who are regularly abusing their authority, and who
(on this list and on Wikipedia in general) are not being reined in but
instead are being encouraged to continue their behavior by mutual
protectors who are ALSO Admins.
It's quite a racket. Get in as friends with the "right" Admins / ArbCom
members, and you're functionally insulated from any penalty for breaking
the rules or abusing your powers. Because no matter WHAT you do, they will
come riding to your rescue and defending your actions. And all you have to
do in return is treat the bigwigs as if their word had come directly from
the mouth of $DIETY as divine law, and back THEM up when someone protests
against THEIR abuses.
But I'm not allowed to name names. Since I don't run the list and I'm not
part of the clique, that's a "personal attack."
I have presented my points in the case of Yoder and Kurita77. YOU seem to
be dead-set on IGNORING it, because you want to justify the behavior of
clique-member Admins.
A. Nony Mouse
From: "David 'DJ' Hedley"
<spyders(a)btinternet.com>
Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Weyes
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:06:54 +0100
If its such a problem, you don't have to edit. Infact, you don't even have
to be on this mailing list, and the borderline, unjustifyable cases you
are
bringing up are making people not want you to do either.
Now, i'm not sure who you are, but you've been repeating yourself for the
past couple of days and its quite clear that you aren't bringing anything
to
this mailing list that we haven't heard and defended ourselves against
before.
The only case you seem to be bringing to us is the same old "Admins abuse
power", "Admins are evil", etc. messages which aren't anything new.
Its
starting to bore people, to be honest, and unless you have any substantial
evidence to present about all of this I really doubt that your persistence
will get you anywhere.
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Nony Mouse" <temoforcomments4(a)hotmail.com>
To: <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Weyes
>From: Michael Turley
<michael.turley(a)gmail.com>
>Reply-To: Michael Turley <michael.turley(a)gmail.com>,English Wikipedia
><wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
>To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org>
>Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Weyes
>Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:43:16 -0400
>
>On 7/5/05, A. Nony Mouse <temoforcomments4(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > You know something?
> >
> > The behaviors of admins like Weyes could easily have become - the
"many
> > admins, and even some arbitrators"
(read: just about ALL of the
current
> > Arbitration Committee as well as the
now-retired "Red Queen") who
have
> > forgotten about civility and more
generally about paying attention
to
> > Wikipedia policy - is what I've
been talking about.
> >
> > But instead of seeing them dealing with the issue, I've been
getting
almost
> nothing but nasty responses from the "go away we don't want to hear
about
> it" inner Admin clique.
>
> How does that grab you? What does that say about the current Admin
clique?
>
> A. Nony Mouse
Your reply "grabs me" as considerably more critical than my own
message was intended to be.
I don't see a clique, and I don't see any significant abuses of
policy, but I do occasionally see excuses for harsh conduct where no
excuses should be.
I call it a clique because it's the same admins - time and again - who
are
the ones coming in and making excuses for the bad
behavior of their
friends.
And the favor seems to be returned.
It's not just here, it's on Wikipedia in general. All we see on this
list
is
the tip of the iceberg, the very few users who
cared enough for
WHATEVER
reason to take the option of last resort and
appeal for the righting of
wrongs.
Instead of getting it, they're getting harrassment at the hands of this
clique of editors who see nothing wrong with bad behavior and in many
cases
encourage the bad behavior of their fellows.
That's a problem. A BIG problem. Without this clique of editors, we
wouldn't
have been subjected to expletive-filled rants by
Kurita77 and Yoder. I
don't
blame the newbies, I blame the clique of editors
who choose to take an
opportunity to blow off steam by repeatedly biting newbies until they
blow
up.
A. Nony Mouse
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