From: Michael Turley <michael.turley(a)gmail.com>
Reply-To: Michael Turley <michael.turley(a)gmail.com>,English Wikipedia
<wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Weyes
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:43:16 -0400
On 7/5/05, A. Nony Mouse <temoforcomments4(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
You know something?
The behaviors of admins like Weyes could easily have become - the "many
admins, and even some arbitrators" (read: just about ALL of the current
Arbitration Committee as well as the now-retired "Red Queen") who have
forgotten about civility and more generally about paying attention to
Wikipedia policy - is what I've been talking about.
But instead of seeing them dealing with the issue, I've been getting
almost
nothing but nasty responses from the "go
away we don't want to hear
about
it" inner Admin clique.
How does that grab you? What does that say about the current Admin
clique?
A. Nony Mouse
Your reply "grabs me" as considerably more critical than my own
message was intended to be.
I don't see a clique, and I don't see any significant abuses of
policy, but I do occasionally see excuses for harsh conduct where no
excuses should be.
I call it a clique because it's the same admins - time and again - who are
the ones coming in and making excuses for the bad behavior of their friends.
And the favor seems to be returned.
It's not just here, it's on Wikipedia in general. All we see on this list is
the tip of the iceberg, the very few users who cared enough for WHATEVER
reason to take the option of last resort and appeal for the righting of
wrongs.
Instead of getting it, they're getting harrassment at the hands of this
clique of editors who see nothing wrong with bad behavior and in many cases
encourage the bad behavior of their fellows.
That's a problem. A BIG problem. Without this clique of editors, we wouldn't
have been subjected to expletive-filled rants by Kurita77 and Yoder. I don't
blame the newbies, I blame the clique of editors who choose to take an
opportunity to blow off steam by repeatedly biting newbies until they blow
up.
A. Nony Mouse
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