On 6/21/07, Skander - shinywater@gmail.com wrote:

Report it to betacommand ^^

-Salaskan

Sorry, but since when has reporting bot issues to Betacommand done anything? ;-)

In jest, --Gracenotes

2007/6/21, Charlotte Webb charlottethewebb@gmail.com:

On 6/21/07, Rory Stolzenberg rory096@gmail.com wrote:

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Or just a mad enwiki admin. ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&pa...

Odd, the image has two contradictory license tags, and so does the source. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Norbert3.jpg

But neither of the tags indicates a free license.

Apparently the French Wikipedia allows non-free personal images to be used in one's own user space?

Does the Foundation really permit individual sites to make unusual policies like that? Weird.

—C.W.

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(when this happens again I'll abandon %*$%* Gmail) This is really weird... My French is not so good, but it seems to say something along the lines of "this is a personal photograph of a user, and is not intended for distribution or use in the encyclopaedia". Does the Foundation permit these things? WP should be freely reusable and is licensed under the GFDL...

-Salaskan

2007/6/21, Skander - shinywater@gmail.com:

(oops, accidentally sent twice) This is really weird... My French is not so good, but it seems to say something along the lines of "

2007/6/21, Charlotte Webb < charlottethewebb@gmail.com>:

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On 6/21/07, Rory Stolzenberg < rory096@gmail.com> wrote:

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Or just a mad enwiki admin. ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&pa...

Odd, the image has two contradictory license tags, and so does the source. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Norbert3.jpg

But neither of the tags indicates a free license.

Apparently the French Wikipedia allows non-free personal images to be used in one's own user space?

Does the Foundation really permit individual sites to make unusual policies like that? Weird.

—C.W.

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Skander - wrote:

This is really weird... My French is not so good, but it seems to say something along the lines of "this is a personal photograph of a user, and is not intended for distribution or use in the encyclopaedia". Does the Foundation permit these things? WP should be freely reusable and is licensed under the GFDL...

I see nothing wrong with the policy on fr:wp. One should not assume that other projects will interpret things in the same way as on your home project.

Ec

2007/6/21, Skander - shinywater@gmail.com:

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2007/6/21, Charlotte Webb < charlottethewebb@gmail.com>:

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On 6/21/07, Rory Stolzenberg < rory096@gmail.com> wrote:

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Or just a mad enwiki admin. ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&pa...

Odd, the image has two contradictory license tags, and so does the source. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Norbert3.jpg

But neither of the tags indicates a free license.

Apparently the French Wikipedia allows non-free personal images to be used in one's own user space?

Does the Foundation really permit individual sites to make unusual policies like that? Weird.

On 6/21/07, Skander - shinywater@gmail.com wrote:

The "free content" thing is a foundation policy, which you obviously know. Don't you think that this is a violation thereof? ( http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy )

-Salaskan

That would depend what fr.wikipedia's EDP is.

Skander - wrote:

The "free content" thing is a foundation policy, which you obviously know. Don't you think that this is a violation thereof? ( http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy )

If you want to maintain discussions it would be easier on everyone if you avoided top-posting.

There is more than one way to to interpret policy, and in a sane and sensitive world, one examines all mitigating circumstances. By your own admission your French is not good enough to have read whatever discussions may have taken place in that language on the subject. I believe that the picture in question has been discussed before, and sensible people brought it back. Even if it is a violation, not every violation needs to be prosecuted.

Ec

2007/6/21, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net:

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Skander - wrote:

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This is really weird... My French is not so good, but it seems to say something along the lines of "this is a personal photograph of a user, and

is not intended for distribution or use in the encyclopaedia". Does the Foundation permit these things? WP should be freely reusable and is licensed

under the GFDL...

I see nothing wrong with the policy on fr:wp. One should not assume that other projects will interpret things in the same way as on your home project.

en.wiki doesn't accept images that are permitted to be used only on Wikipedia, because our content has to be "free", "editable" etc. Then why would images that are permitted to be used only in userspace be tolerated?

-Salaskan

2007/6/21, Rory Stolzenberg rory096@gmail.com:

On 6/21/07, Charlotte Webb charlottethewebb@gmail.com wrote:

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On 6/21/07, Rory Stolzenberg rory096@gmail.com wrote:

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Or just a mad enwiki admin. ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&pa...

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Odd, the image has two contradictory license tags, and so does the

source.

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http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Norbert3.jpg

But neither of the tags indicates a free license.

Apparently the French Wikipedia allows non-free personal images to be used in one's own user space?

Does the Foundation really permit individual sites to make unusual policies like that? Weird.

—C.W.

Well, it's CC-BY-ND, which isn't free by our standards, but use on their userpage wouldn't be infringement by the terms of the license.

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As I recall (and Anthere, apologies if I've got this wrong) - the image is a member of the fr community who died recently and Anthere wanted to keep it as a memorial, if it made sense. She was obviously prepared to let it go (and did, in fact, let it go) but someone applied IAR and *poof* it's back.

PHB ----- Original Message ----- From: Skander - To: English Wikipedia Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] LOL

en.wiki doesn't accept images that are permitted to be used only on Wikipedia, because our content has to be "free", "editable" etc. Then why would images that are permitted to be used only in userspace be tolerated?

-Salaskan

2007/6/21, Rory Stolzenberg rory096@gmail.com:

On 6/21/07, Charlotte Webb charlottethewebb@gmail.com wrote:

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On 6/21/07, Rory Stolzenberg rory096@gmail.com wrote:

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Or just a mad enwiki admin. ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&pa...

...

Odd, the image has two contradictory license tags, and so does the

source.

...

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Norbert3.jpg

But neither of the tags indicates a free license.

Apparently the French Wikipedia allows non-free personal images to be used in one's own user space?

Does the Foundation really permit individual sites to make unusual policies like that? Weird.

—C.W.

Well, it's CC-BY-ND, which isn't free by our standards, but use on their userpage wouldn't be infringement by the terms of the license.

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Charlotte Webb wrote:

On 6/21/07, Philippe Beaudette philippebeaudette@gmail.com wrote:

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As I recall (and Anthere, apologies if I've got this wrong) - the image is a member of the fr community who died recently and Anthere wanted to keep it as a memorial, if it made sense. She was obviously prepared to let it go (and did, in fact, let it go) but someone applied IAR and *poof* it's back.

Yes. I'm just saying that if the user had been required to upload his self-portrait under a free license, we would not be having the post-mortem debate about whether or not we can use the picture for memorial purposes.

In fact the policy page on the English Wikipedia is clear on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#User-created_images

The picture was not added to the English Wikipedia, so what is said there is irrelevant.

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Wikipedia encourages users to upload their own images, but all user-created images must be licensed under a free license (such as the GFDL and/or an acceptable Creative Commons license) or be released into the public domain (no copyright). If licensing, it is best practice to multi-license your images under both GFDL and a Creative Commons license.

This explicitly forbids invoking a "fair use" defense with material you yourself hold the rights to, which would IMO create a legally (or at least morally) frivolous situation for everyone involved.

What he did was within the rules at the time he uploaded. Where is he claiming fair use on his own material?

Ec

Charlotte Webb wrote:

On 6/22/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:

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What he did was within the rules at the time he uploaded. Where is he claiming fair use on his own material?

It was not uploaded under a license compatible with the GFDL, so there must have been an implicit (though perhaps subtle) claim that of "fair use", even without a specific rationale.

That's a stretch.. If anything should be implicit it should be compliance with the rules. In any event a fair use claim is unlikely for a resident of France.

I consider this frivolous because the creator/uploader had prerogative to choose a more suitable license, but apparently preferred not to.

Did anybody ask him? What alternatives were offered to him at the time?

Ec

Ahhh, yup, that's the thing. Would it be possible to ask the bot to post fresh flowers on my user page every sunday morning ?

Ant

White Cat wrote:

I think the bot likes you. :) - White Cat

On 6/21/07, Florence Devouard Anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:

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I got this on my user talk page today

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anthere#Orphaned_non-free_image_.28Im...

Which is an issue I was already informed of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anthere#Orphaned_non-free_image_.28Im...

I am ***certain*** we discussed this issue. And I am 200% certain I deleted the image. Yet, it is back up and I am again informed it is an orphaned-non free and it should be speedy deleted.

I do not get it... errr, a mad electron ?

ant

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