On 8/30/07, K P <kpbotany(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/28/07, Steven Walling
<steven.walling(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Don't be so quick to judge. I didn't say it didn't exist. I said I
didn't
> know what incident she was talking about, and I couldn't think of any
> examples of blatant misogyny on-wiki from personal experience. Don't assume
> my experience encompasses everything on-wiki, and certainly not what you or
> anyone else has. I didn't say a "pimpmasta123" name or a pimp userbox
wasn't
> misogynist, I said I'd never heard of it.
>
> On 8/28/07, K P <kpbotany(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 8/28/07, Steven Walling <steven.walling(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > What thread are you speaking of? Have you really been attacked as a
> > woman
> > > authority figure on-wiki by anyone other than vandals? I mean, I
> > wouldn't be
> > > surprised, but I don't think I've ever seen any cases of outright
> > misogyny.
> > > Usually people are too focused on the faggot, N-bomb, commie-pinko,
> > faggot,
> > > nerd, faggot, loser vein to bother to say "get back in the kitchen,
> > stupid
> > > woman". Or maybe it's that there are so few female Wikipedians
that it
> > > hasn't had the opportunity to crop up yet...which might be even worse
an
> > > issue, imo
> > >
> > > On 8/28/07, Durova <nadezhda.durova(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In respect to a thread here and a recent private discussion I'll
> > highlight
> > > > the valuable side effects of misogyny.
> > > >
> > > > *Misogyny discredits the individual who possesses it.* From a
> > distance it
> > > > may not be obvious which side of a dispute can supply better
evidence,
> > > > but open bigotry sure as heck is obvious.
> > > >
> > > > *Misogyny relieves me of regrets.* Sometimes I second guess myself
> > after
> > > > I
> > > > use the sysop tools. A sexist quip clears my conscience. I go away
> > happy
> > > > to be the sysop and equally happy the fellow is blocked or banned.
> > > >
> > > > *Misogyny is the perfect troll. * I'm not above a little
> > *schadenfreude*;
> > > > I
> > > > think it's hilarious. Misogyny generates misery among a certain
set
> > of
> > > > people who are basically unpleasant anyway and wastes huge amounts
of
> > > > their
> > > > time and energy. Best of all, I break zero rules and keep all my
> > online
> > > > buddies while they make themselves despised and sometimes even
> > endanger
> > > > their careers.
> > > >
> >
> > Oh please, calling oneself a pimp as a user name and saying, "Gotta
You also might be less likely to be sensitive to it
for obvious
reasons. There are many things that men simply don't look twice at,
that many women would find misogynist because they look at it from a
different angle. I don't find the turning of "pimp" into an
acceptable verb to be acceptable, mostly because the men who flaunt it
seem to be using it in the old and more familiar sense, and are just
taking advantage of, or lying about, its meaning in the vernacular.
But many men I know who I don't think are misogynists, don't see
anything offensive with "pimp my ride."
My son for example doesn't find the expression "pimp my ride" and
related expressions offensive, and thinks I'm over-reacting that I do
find them offended--"It's the vernacular, Mom, that language you
adore." Yet, he considers it offensive to call someone a pimp as a
compliment.
These things drift with the times as well. At one time (the
shakespearean/elizabethan age), "punque" used to refer
to underage male prostitutes. Today calling a male child
"you little punk", wouldn't be perceived as offensive by
many.
--
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]