On 8/30/07, K P kpbotany@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/28/07, Steven Walling steven.walling@gmail.com wrote:
Don't be so quick to judge. I didn't say it didn't exist. I said I didn't know what incident she was talking about, and I couldn't think of any examples of blatant misogyny on-wiki from personal experience. Don't assume my experience encompasses everything on-wiki, and certainly not what you or anyone else has. I didn't say a "pimpmasta123" name or a pimp userbox wasn't misogynist, I said I'd never heard of it.
On 8/28/07, K P kpbotany@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/28/07, Steven Walling steven.walling@gmail.com wrote:
What thread are you speaking of? Have you really been attacked as a
woman
authority figure on-wiki by anyone other than vandals? I mean, I
wouldn't be
surprised, but I don't think I've ever seen any cases of outright
misogyny.
Usually people are too focused on the faggot, N-bomb, commie-pinko,
faggot,
nerd, faggot, loser vein to bother to say "get back in the kitchen,
stupid
woman". Or maybe it's that there are so few female Wikipedians that it hasn't had the opportunity to crop up yet...which might be even worse an issue, imo
On 8/28/07, Durova nadezhda.durova@gmail.com wrote:
In respect to a thread here and a recent private discussion I'll
highlight
the valuable side effects of misogyny.
*Misogyny discredits the individual who possesses it.* From a
distance it
may not be obvious which side of a dispute can supply better evidence, but open bigotry sure as heck is obvious.
*Misogyny relieves me of regrets.* Sometimes I second guess myself
after
I use the sysop tools. A sexist quip clears my conscience. I go away
happy
to be the sysop and equally happy the fellow is blocked or banned.
*Misogyny is the perfect troll. * I'm not above a little
*schadenfreude*;
I think it's hilarious. Misogyny generates misery among a certain set
of
people who are basically unpleasant anyway and wastes huge amounts of their time and energy. Best of all, I break zero rules and keep all my
online
buddies while they make themselves despised and sometimes even
endanger
their careers.
Oh please, calling oneself a pimp as a user name and saying, "Gotta
You also might be less likely to be sensitive to it for obvious reasons. There are many things that men simply don't look twice at, that many women would find misogynist because they look at it from a different angle. I don't find the turning of "pimp" into an acceptable verb to be acceptable, mostly because the men who flaunt it seem to be using it in the old and more familiar sense, and are just taking advantage of, or lying about, its meaning in the vernacular. But many men I know who I don't think are misogynists, don't see anything offensive with "pimp my ride."
My son for example doesn't find the expression "pimp my ride" and related expressions offensive, and thinks I'm over-reacting that I do find them offended--"It's the vernacular, Mom, that language you adore." Yet, he considers it offensive to call someone a pimp as a compliment.
These things drift with the times as well. At one time (the shakespearean/elizabethan age), "punque" used to refer to underage male prostitutes. Today calling a male child "you little punk", wouldn't be perceived as offensive by many.
-- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]