Daniel Ehrenberg wrote:
--- Adam Raizen <araizen(a)newmail.net> wrote:
The ethnic
makeup of the city is 80.5% Jewish and
other, and 20.0% Arab (15.4% Muslim and 4.0%
Christian). There are 450 new immigrants.
What's unclear about it? Also, do you think that
there are too many
statistics, or too few? There are a lot more
statistics available, but I
don't want to clutter up the pages with a bunch of
useless statistics.
--Adam Raizen
What do you mean "Jewish and other"? Are all
christians there arab? are there no arab jews? Are you
treating Jewish as an ethnicity or a religion? It
looks like ethnicity from the context.
LDan
My explanation from [[User talk:AdamRaizen/Ramla]]:
It's other non-Arab. This is the CBS's
category, and it doesn't
break it down any further. In general, other refers to people who are
married to a Jew, or whose father or grandfather was Jewish, and thus
immigrated under the Law of Return, but aren't considered Jewish by the
Rabbinate. Culturally, they're basically the same a secular Israeli
Jew, so the category makes some sense.
Arabs who convert to Judaism are very rare, and I'm nearly certain that
they're considered Jews in these figures. Likewise, non-Arab Muslims and
Christians are negligible.
Are you refering to the fact that Judiasm, according
to the laws therof, is transfered from mother to child
(as written at [[Judaism#Who_is_a_Jew]])? If so, I'd
suggest that you chage
The ethnic makeup of the city is 80.5% Jewish and
other, and 20.0% Arab (15.4% Muslim and 4.0%
Christian). There are 450 new immigrants.
to
Tje ethnic makeup of the city is 80.5% Jewish by
ethnicity and 20.0% Arab, consisting of 15.4% Muslim,
and 4.0% Christian. There are 450 new immigrants since
the last time the census was taken.
Distinguishing between Jewish ethnicity, Jewish religion, and who the
State of Israel considers as Jewish is not an easy task. I'll add "See
[[Population groups in Israel]]." to the end of the ethnicity paragraph,
so that we can refine and expound the categories there in detail.
I don't see how your proposed change is an improvement (or even a
change, really). The categories "Jewish" and "Arab" are clearly
ethnicities (with some complications for "Jewish") as specified by "the
ethnic makeup", but no one considers "Christian" or "Muslim" to
be
anything other than a religion, so there shouldn't be any confusion there.
By the way, for reference, the exact category names used by the CBS are:
"Jews and others (percent)", "Arab population (percent)", "Muslim
Arabs
(percent)", "Arab Christians (percent)", and "Druze (percent)".
Yes, I do think a table would be easier to read, but
there should also be some content in paragraph form.
Is there any more support for tables, even though it breaks with the
style set in Rambot's articles?
I'll try to find content to put in the articles
that
is automated. So far, I've found
http://www.iula.org.il/cities/citind.htm, a list of
links to the websites of all of the big cities in
Israel, but that's it, and it probably would go into
the table.
LDan
This is great. I'll be sure to include those, under "External Links".
--Adam Raizen