I am glad to see Alec laying his cards on the table here.
Alec Conroy wrote:
On 12/5/07, jayjg <jayjg99(a)gmail.com> wrote:
What's boring are continuing snide
insinuations. Why [doesn't]
anyone else who insists that the Cyberstalking list was used to
co-ordinate !!'s block say straight out that they think Matt and Guy
and Slim are lying, if that's what they think, rather than using
weaselly innuendo to try to press their point?
I know this horse is sorta dead, but since peopel are still engaging
in the post-mortem, I thought I should chime in.
First of all, Matt and Guy and Slim can't lie about something they
can't possibly have known. The truth is, they have no clue whether
the list was used to coordiante or not. Durova posted to the list
about !! to the list-- what responses she got back through email,
only Durova and her sleuths know. People can say "I didn't see any
full-formed coordination", but they can't actually know there was no
such coordination.
So we now have established that the list was not secret and was not used
directly to coordinate the !! block. So Alec shifts gears with a new
allegation: maybe people responded *privately* to Durova's post with
support.
Note well, this is not an argument against ad hoc side mailing lists,
this is an argument against mailing lists, period. Actually, it is an
argument against anyone posting anything anywhere, public or private,
since who knows, people might respond privately by email.
Secondly, there's no need to fixate just on the !!
issue. The list
had been running long before !!, and it was "high volume". It
certainly seems that the Cyberstalking and the Investigations lists
existed to cooridinate SOMETHING. What exactly were they
coordinating, who knws-- but it's obvious people on it were talking
about wikipedia, they weren't swapping recipes, running a support
group, or investigating the disappearance of Amelia Earhart.
Uh, Alec, I think this has been explained to you multiple times now.
The list was an outgrowth of an ad hoc mailing list to discuss the
complex and painful issue of people being cyberstalked as a result of
their participation on Wikipedia.
But obviously, there was some sort of coordination,
and there was SOME
reason that even the mere EXISTENCE of the lists were being kept
secret-- rather than just keeping hte contents of the list private.
The existence of the lists was never a secret.
* Miltopias block was almost certainly coordinated on
the list--
Durova strongly implies it, and in fact Durova seems to practically
gloat that the coordination over that went undiscovered.
As the blocking admin, I can tell you with absolute certainty that the
Miltopia block was not "coordinated" on the list. I have no idea what
that would even mean in this context.
"We just wanted a private place to share our
feelings" isn't going to
assauge the community's fear that the list was used to coordinate
something, somewhere, somehow.
I think it makes sense to the community that some people have been badly
hurt, to the point that the police have had to be called. That may mean
nothing to you, but you do not speak for the entire community here.
--Jimbo