From: Michael Turley michael.turley@gmail.com Reply-To: Michael Turley michael.turley@gmail.com,English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Weyes Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:43:16 -0400
On 7/5/05, A. Nony Mouse temoforcomments4@hotmail.com wrote:
You know something?
The behaviors of admins like Weyes could easily have become - the "many admins, and even some arbitrators" (read: just about ALL of the current Arbitration Committee as well as the now-retired "Red Queen") who have forgotten about civility and more generally about paying attention to Wikipedia policy - is what I've been talking about.
But instead of seeing them dealing with the issue, I've been getting
almost
nothing but nasty responses from the "go away we don't want to hear
about
it" inner Admin clique.
How does that grab you? What does that say about the current Admin
clique?
A. Nony Mouse
Your reply "grabs me" as considerably more critical than my own message was intended to be.
I don't see a clique, and I don't see any significant abuses of policy, but I do occasionally see excuses for harsh conduct where no excuses should be.
I call it a clique because it's the same admins - time and again - who are the ones coming in and making excuses for the bad behavior of their friends. And the favor seems to be returned.
It's not just here, it's on Wikipedia in general. All we see on this list is the tip of the iceberg, the very few users who cared enough for WHATEVER reason to take the option of last resort and appeal for the righting of wrongs.
Instead of getting it, they're getting harrassment at the hands of this clique of editors who see nothing wrong with bad behavior and in many cases encourage the bad behavior of their fellows.
That's a problem. A BIG problem. Without this clique of editors, we wouldn't have been subjected to expletive-filled rants by Kurita77 and Yoder. I don't blame the newbies, I blame the clique of editors who choose to take an opportunity to blow off steam by repeatedly biting newbies until they blow up.
A. Nony Mouse
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